1 00:00:04,130 --> 00:00:03,379 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:04,140 triangle 3 00:00:06,349 --> 00:00:05,250 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:06,359 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:10,129 --> 00:00:07,710 Rendlesham forest incident 6 00:00:13,009 --> 00:00:10,139 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 7 00:00:16,369 --> 00:00:13,019 completely silent it comes right over 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:16,379 our head it's so a classic flying-saucer 9 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:18,210 really standing in the clearing he 10 00:00:21,439 --> 00:00:19,800 turned over to my father and held his 11 00:00:27,950 --> 00:00:21,449 hand and he looked in his eyes and said 12 00:00:30,589 --> 00:00:27,960 we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO 13 00:00:32,420 --> 00:00:30,599 for our live show we're live every 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:32,430 Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard 15 00:00:38,030 --> 00:00:34,530 Time please remember to visit 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00:01:47,909 out and then we're going to be talking 45 00:01:54,199 --> 00:01:51,360 about ghosts and hauntings and all of 46 00:01:56,449 --> 00:01:54,209 her investigations as I had mentioned 47 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:56,459 before number of times once in a while 48 00:02:00,050 --> 00:01:57,630 I'm gonna put in a different type of 49 00:02:01,669 --> 00:02:00,060 show and that is tonight and I'm really 50 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:01,679 excited about having Linda and she's 51 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:04,530 always always great and that's it for me 52 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:07,380 alejandro how are you I'm good how are 53 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:12,000 you good good hello hello youtube we 54 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:14,880 have it's right oh by the way Evan is 55 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:18,150 our show producer and I think things are 56 00:02:23,119 --> 00:02:20,400 going to be going a lot smoother now it 57 00:02:25,610 --> 00:02:23,129 just seems like it's so much nicer to 58 00:02:28,430 --> 00:02:25,620 have some help I really feel like we 59 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:28,440 believe you tackled all of that doing 60 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:30,030 all the technical switching and 61 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:32,190 everything and I know the program you 62 00:02:39,979 --> 00:02:34,980 use I was I've been playing with it to 63 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:39,989 use myself seek about stuff and and to 64 00:02:45,559 --> 00:02:44,010 try to be and and share insight all at 65 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:45,569 the same time I don't know how you did 66 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,329 it yeah yeah well the one thing I can 67 00:02:51,979 --> 00:02:50,220 never stop is when internet goes out and 68 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:51,989 occasionally that happens just can't 69 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:55,049 stop that you know Robert Powell and 70 00:02:59,509 --> 00:02:56,880 Mike and went out at the same time that 71 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:59,519 was just really crazy and of course it 72 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:00,480 was a government we know it's a 73 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:02,329 government that did that who else right 74 00:03:09,050 --> 00:03:06,810 now anyway careful I know better watch 75 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:09,060 my P's and Q's so what's going on in the 76 00:03:12,409 --> 00:03:09,870 UFO world 77 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:12,419 well UFO stuff there's there is some 78 00:03:18,409 --> 00:03:15,900 news out there I don't know I don't 79 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:18,419 think anything really huge I mean 80 00:03:22,909 --> 00:03:20,609 there's there's of course the UK 81 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:22,919 tabloids are always making a big deal 82 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:26,250 about some really growled and sometimes 83 00:03:31,069 --> 00:03:28,889 goofball II kind of stuff so there's 84 00:03:33,349 --> 00:03:31,079 always something in there silly UK 85 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:33,359 tabloids and it kills me because of 86 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:35,040 course sometimes they interview some of 87 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:37,170 us and they have some decent 88 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:39,300 but I feel that that is far and few 89 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:41,640 between so and I always acknowledge it 90 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:43,110 because I know people are seeing it 91 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:45,209 because now they're doing stories every 92 00:03:51,470 --> 00:03:48,540 day sometimes stealing stories like they 93 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:51,480 stole the Sun story about an interview 94 00:03:55,970 --> 00:03:53,340 with me and that just blatantly one of 95 00:03:58,010 --> 00:03:55,980 the other ones just takes it summarizes 96 00:03:59,990 --> 00:03:58,020 and doesn't give credit so there's that 97 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:00,000 out there again we'll take that with a 98 00:04:02,090 --> 00:04:00,690 grain of salt 99 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:02,100 I guess there's all I'm warning people 100 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:04,620 but otherwise what's cool is mainstream 101 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:06,480 media I think is taking note of this 102 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:09,510 topic much more so for instance Brooklyn 103 00:04:15,170 --> 00:04:11,790 talking about being out there near New 104 00:04:16,969 --> 00:04:15,180 York not too far from where Linda is at 105 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:16,979 right now a lot closer than I am that's 106 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:18,209 for sure and closer to the new ours 107 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:21,120 Brooklyn there's a story in their paper 108 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:23,220 about UFO sightings out there so that's 109 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:30,020 pretty cool also an article about UFOs 110 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:33,330 skyrocketing in at least that the number 111 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:36,060 of sightings skyrocketing in Italy so 112 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:37,440 that's kind of interesting and that's 113 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:39,660 made from some news that that's gone on 114 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:42,810 out there and this is kind of cool too 115 00:04:49,190 --> 00:04:46,620 and the TC palm it's a Florida local 116 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:49,200 paper there's a guy you know some 117 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:51,000 businessman in the area who decided he 118 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:53,490 wanted to write about how UFOs need to 119 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:56,400 be taken more seriously and and this DoD 120 00:05:01,219 --> 00:04:59,520 thing kind of shows that so really 121 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:01,229 interesting a Newsweek has an article 122 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:02,729 they're kind of debunking some of the 123 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:06,570 stuff people see on Mars but you know I 124 00:05:12,469 --> 00:05:10,620 I kind of okay yeah that's okay because 125 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:12,479 there is some silly stuff regarding that 126 00:05:16,130 --> 00:05:14,490 but still I think there's a lot more in 127 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:16,140 you and Linda I know we're going to talk 128 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:19,500 about there a lot more I think coverage 129 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:21,390 and mainstream coverage of this topic 130 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:24,510 and serious coverage there were previous 131 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:27,510 I think you know if a local guy decides 132 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:29,340 to write an opinion piece on how we need 133 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:31,710 to pay attention to UFOs I think prior 134 00:05:38,090 --> 00:05:35,220 to December people even would have 135 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:38,100 scoffed more than they are now now you 136 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:46,070 hey hey you know I believed in the I 137 00:05:49,490 --> 00:05:47,760 believed in this stuff for years and I'm 138 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:49,500 tired of hiding it now I'm gonna tell 139 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:51,410 everybody that I agree this is a 140 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:55,080 significant mystery out there right well 141 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:56,700 let's talk about you had a great 142 00:06:03,080 --> 00:05:59,520 interview I listened to it today with 143 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:03,090 Leslie Kane just fantastic and so I 144 00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:04,680 think I'm actually gonna put a link to 145 00:06:10,159 --> 00:06:07,380 that in the show notes here okay so but 146 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:10,169 I just thought it was just so well done 147 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:12,360 and a lot of stuff came out I mean I was 148 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:14,160 so interested in some of the things she 149 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:16,500 said you know we've all been dying to 150 00:06:21,050 --> 00:06:19,050 ask questions about the background and 151 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:21,060 what happened how and why what does she 152 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:22,830 know about the program and this and that 153 00:06:28,219 --> 00:06:24,870 and we're all looking for those answers 154 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:28,229 so so luckily hopefully a week from 155 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:29,910 today I'll be interviewing Louise and 156 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:31,800 ass Elizondo of course the guy who ran 157 00:06:36,170 --> 00:06:33,510 the program so we'll get a lot more 158 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:36,180 answers then but we still got some great 159 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:39,090 answers like for me what was really 160 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:41,250 interesting is how the story came about 161 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:43,620 to be in the first place and you know 162 00:06:48,650 --> 00:06:46,440 with all of these conspiracy theories 163 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:48,660 that run rampant and people assuming 164 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:50,550 well it's obvious how this came about 165 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:53,039 the smoking man you know showed up in 166 00:06:58,790 --> 00:06:55,620 the garage and and told her to do this 167 00:07:01,909 --> 00:06:58,800 and that discounts the work that people 168 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:01,919 do so what really happened you know is 169 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:05,039 that she uh you know you've interviewed 170 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,240 her and I did after October when the the 171 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:11,280 to the stars announced that they started 172 00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:13,500 their organization and she identified 173 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:15,840 this is really important so she went to 174 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:17,880 a colleague who writes for The New York 175 00:07:23,659 --> 00:07:20,970 Times who's friendly on this topic ralph 176 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:23,669 Blumenthal and he said you're right this 177 00:07:30,260 --> 00:07:28,110 is a big deal let's do this so he he you 178 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:30,270 know championed it they went to the New 179 00:07:35,180 --> 00:07:33,030 York Times and they talked to New York 180 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:35,190 Times into it and essentially the New 181 00:07:39,620 --> 00:07:37,889 York Times says we'll do it but you know 182 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:39,630 we got to do it the right way and so 183 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:42,060 they did a lot of hard work a lot of 184 00:07:45,860 --> 00:07:43,860 research they did interviews with 185 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:45,870 important people with Louise of course 186 00:07:52,670 --> 00:07:47,970 and then they released their article 187 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:52,680 which was well researched and and and 188 00:07:56,210 --> 00:07:55,080 that obviously had a huge impact and I 189 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:56,220 think that's really important that 190 00:07:59,630 --> 00:07:57,390 people understand 191 00:08:01,220 --> 00:07:59,640 how this works because when people just 192 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:01,230 you know throw out oh it's obvious that 193 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:03,060 the the media is under control and they 194 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:04,770 only do what people tell them to do I 195 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:08,880 work in the media Lee works Lee Spiegel 196 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:10,410 who of course we work with a lot works 197 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:12,240 in the media I think Lynn won Linda 198 00:08:18,530 --> 00:08:15,720 works in the media um Leslie of course 199 00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:18,540 does and George Knapp and Brice is able 200 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:19,680 who's going to be speaking at the 201 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:21,630 conference and so many people we can go 202 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:23,910 on and on that's what they do you know 203 00:08:28,340 --> 00:08:25,890 and and you can ask those people how it 204 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:28,350 actually works and all of these people 205 00:08:32,410 --> 00:08:30,090 come up with their own stories that are 206 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:32,420 not told what stories to come up with 207 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:35,190 what's difficult is people are like well 208 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:36,780 why don't they print this or that well 209 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:38,430 there's a high bar when it comes to 210 00:08:42,710 --> 00:08:40,650 credibility and you've got to reach that 211 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:42,720 far you've got to have credible sources 212 00:08:47,270 --> 00:08:44,490 for your information and it'll be taken 213 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:47,280 seriously and unfortunately people when 214 00:08:51,170 --> 00:08:49,500 you throw out speculation and and you 215 00:08:53,390 --> 00:08:51,180 know all of these things you have to 216 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:53,400 substantiate what you say and Leslie 217 00:09:00,290 --> 00:08:56,610 does that and that's why her stories do 218 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:00,300 very very well and you know and they're 219 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:02,490 also important for raising the 220 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:04,470 credibility for this field in general so 221 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:06,570 yeah it was great to hear the details 222 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:09,210 about how that all came about yeah and 223 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:11,100 one of the things that I really liked 224 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:12,810 you know we thought was very interesting 225 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:16,740 is she said it was so much work she had 226 00:09:22,130 --> 00:09:19,770 every single paragraph we had to have 227 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:22,140 you know the backup we had to have you 228 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:23,760 know I mean they had to edit they had to 229 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:25,200 you know the New York Times wanted to 230 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:26,730 make sure everything was just perfect 231 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:29,640 before that was you know released yeah 232 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:31,140 but that was a great point because she 233 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:32,940 says you know I can post what I want on 234 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:34,320 the Huffington Post nobody says anything 235 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:36,210 and and that's the same for me 236 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:38,850 of course if someone complains or they 237 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:40,230 find out that we've been accurate 238 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:42,210 inaccurate or we're being goofy then 239 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:43,740 we'll get yanked and we'll never be able 240 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:46,530 to do it again so we have to be careful 241 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:48,450 in that way but it's different when 242 00:09:52,340 --> 00:09:49,860 you're working with some of these other 243 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:52,350 outlets like the New York Times where 244 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:54,420 they they have to fact-check every 245 00:09:59,210 --> 00:09:56,520 single line so it's a lot of work 246 00:10:01,220 --> 00:09:59,220 they've got to substantiate every single 247 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:01,230 thing that they're saying and it's 248 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:03,000 especially important in these days 249 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:04,650 people don't realize that date they talk 250 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:06,210 about fake news and all of this other 251 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:08,130 stuff but they don't realize the hard 252 00:10:10,850 --> 00:10:10,200 work that is going on in the background 253 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:10,860 to 254 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:13,050 verify some of this because remember the 255 00:10:16,970 --> 00:10:15,330 the media their critics are not just the 256 00:10:19,370 --> 00:10:16,980 public or whoever they're writing about 257 00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:19,380 via politicians on either set or 258 00:10:23,270 --> 00:10:21,120 whatever but each other 259 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:23,280 they check each other oh it's a it's a 260 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:26,070 sure field where you know absolutely New 261 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:27,810 York Times screw something up then 262 00:10:33,020 --> 00:10:29,790 that's gonna be a new story and people 263 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:33,030 will be gonna be all over them so just 264 00:10:36,590 --> 00:10:34,770 like I check out your podcast to make 265 00:10:38,270 --> 00:10:36,600 sure you don't make any mistakes to call 266 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:38,280 me out oh yeah definitely 267 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:40,530 oh that alien that you had on there was 268 00:10:47,210 --> 00:10:42,660 not from Zetas Reticuli that one's from 269 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:47,220 Venus you can't you tell for God's sake 270 00:10:54,980 --> 00:10:53,040 yeah yeah no another thing that you know 271 00:10:57,140 --> 00:10:54,990 she makes a really good point on is that 272 00:10:59,420 --> 00:10:57,150 there's no scent of any type of 273 00:11:01,310 --> 00:10:59,430 government manipulation or cover-up in 274 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:01,320 this thing which i think is really 275 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:02,730 important because there's so much out 276 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:04,230 there people are saying so many things 277 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:07,050 along those lines I thought what was 278 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:08,880 really interesting is when I asked her 279 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:11,430 if they ran the story by the DoD at all 280 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:13,920 she was taken aback she's like no you 281 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:16,320 know and I know I've you know I've known 282 00:11:20,210 --> 00:11:18,240 Leslie for a long time and I can tell 283 00:11:23,390 --> 00:11:20,220 she was like what a ridiculous question 284 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:23,400 she didn't like that question but and I 285 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:25,260 think she thought I was being kind of 286 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:28,980 goofy but in my defense you know Nick 287 00:11:34,670 --> 00:11:32,790 Pope said he did run his book by the 288 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:34,680 Ministry of Defense his last Rendlesham 289 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:38,670 was and Charles Hall has ran his his 290 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:40,680 stuff by because they're just trying to 291 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:43,020 be careful they are still under their 292 00:11:48,830 --> 00:11:45,870 oaths there so Patriots they don't want 293 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:48,840 to step over over boundaries or say 294 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:50,670 anything that they shouldn't so I don't 295 00:11:55,310 --> 00:11:52,440 think it would have necessarily and in 296 00:11:57,140 --> 00:11:55,320 speaking with Louise he's very careful 297 00:12:00,440 --> 00:11:57,150 with that too he doesn't want to 298 00:12:01,820 --> 00:12:00,450 compromise you know any information and 299 00:12:03,620 --> 00:12:01,830 he doesn't want to share anything he 300 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:03,630 shouldn't either and that's why I 301 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:05,310 thought maybe he wanted to be careful 302 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:07,770 and have his colleagues look at this 303 00:12:11,510 --> 00:12:09,480 story before it was released but it 304 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:11,520 sounds like they didn't do that however 305 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:14,250 in speaking with Louise I know that he 306 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:16,830 is careful about that he does but at the 307 00:12:21,470 --> 00:12:19,800 same time you know so we needed to know 308 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:21,480 what level of government involvement 309 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:22,980 there was and it sounds like there was 310 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:24,180 zero 311 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:26,010 up for the quotes that they got from the 312 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:31,290 DoD and of course Louise's cooperation 313 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:32,970 but he's now no longer with the 314 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:36,300 government so yeah there's some insight 315 00:12:41,780 --> 00:12:39,029 for people a further indication that 316 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:41,790 there was no manipulation or even 317 00:12:46,370 --> 00:12:44,790 influence on the story which I think you 318 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:46,380 can tell from reading it because it's 319 00:12:51,139 --> 00:12:48,990 much more transparent there's more 320 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:51,149 information that we got from that story 321 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:53,220 we know than we normally would from a 322 00:12:58,940 --> 00:12:56,970 government story or agency but Louise 323 00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:58,950 you know people haven't heard from him 324 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:01,440 much yet either on a lot of these topics 325 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:03,930 and and so I can see maybe why they may 326 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:07,110 be a bit skeptical there as well and I'm 327 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:08,910 lucky as where I've had a little bit 328 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:11,790 more conversations and fortunately we're 329 00:13:15,170 --> 00:13:13,290 going to be sharing a lot more with 330 00:13:17,329 --> 00:13:15,180 people and I know he's going to be 331 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:17,339 coming out more and people are going to 332 00:13:23,060 --> 00:13:20,010 get to know him better and I think that 333 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:23,070 will leave a lot of people's concerns a 334 00:13:28,460 --> 00:13:25,410 lot of people who want to think of them 335 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:28,470 as some evil you know or a manipulator 336 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:30,690 who's who's only releasing information 337 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:33,150 in a manner which he's instructed to do 338 00:13:39,620 --> 00:13:33,480 so 339 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:39,630 unfortunately that perspective of theirs 340 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:41,430 I think will begin to crumble as they 341 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:43,830 meet him some people are steadfast to 342 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:45,540 that but some people aren't some people 343 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:48,330 are good people and and I I've even seen 344 00:13:52,579 --> 00:13:50,010 this where people are making these sorts 345 00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:52,589 of accusations and he says hey I've seen 346 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:54,390 some interactions where he said no this 347 00:13:57,079 --> 00:13:55,680 is what I'm really about this is why 348 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:57,089 I've done it and then people are like 349 00:14:01,550 --> 00:13:59,370 okay you know I can understand that and 350 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:01,560 it's all about just going out there 351 00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:03,450 asking questions and understanding that 352 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:07,860 the the mechanizations behind what 353 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:10,320 motivates people and everything before 354 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:13,610 you make you know assumptions and 355 00:14:20,269 --> 00:14:17,910 stedfast you know opinions you got to go 356 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:20,279 discover and get the information and 357 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:22,620 that's fun I mean researching 358 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:25,680 investigating is fun so you know I think 359 00:14:30,319 --> 00:14:28,200 Linda is a perfect example your guest 360 00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:30,329 tonight she goes out there and does some 361 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:32,820 research she wrote a story about dogs 362 00:14:41,019 --> 00:14:37,800 and UFO encounters and for us not 363 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:41,029 long ago so fascinating you know it 364 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:43,620 bringing to light a lot of information 365 00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:45,720 that people don't have and doing that 366 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:49,200 research is fun and and and getting the 367 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:51,209 truth out there it the truth is also 368 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:55,050 often stranger than fiction and and so 369 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:56,910 you know it's fun to get the real 370 00:15:00,319 --> 00:14:58,230 answers instead of just making 371 00:15:00,769 --> 00:15:00,329 assumptions I don't that's not as fun to 372 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:00,779 me 373 00:15:06,650 --> 00:15:02,970 so just a couple things first of all 374 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,660 your interview with Luis Elizondo is 375 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:09,360 that going to be one that you're doing 376 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:10,950 for the conference or is that gonna be a 377 00:15:17,329 --> 00:15:13,649 podcast no that's for the conference I 378 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:17,339 mean yeah that's you know in a month or 379 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:19,649 so right we'll probably put like bits 380 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:22,769 and pieces of that out but of course as 381 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:24,959 normal with the lectures you know you 382 00:15:30,380 --> 00:15:27,480 can go online and watch them on video on 383 00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:30,390 demand you can see Linda's presentations 384 00:15:34,699 --> 00:15:32,820 at the UFO Congress a video-on-demand or 385 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:34,709 where you can purchase the DVDs at the 386 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:37,170 store will have pieces of it out and 387 00:15:39,889 --> 00:15:38,610 will certainly write stories about some 388 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:39,899 of the more important things that he 389 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:43,230 says but I think over time yeah we'll 390 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:45,930 hear him on podcasts and everything I 391 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:47,970 think they're just being careful about 392 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:49,920 this initial release of information with 393 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:53,220 New York Times but as time goes on and 394 00:15:58,699 --> 00:15:55,500 he begins to interact with people in the 395 00:16:01,730 --> 00:15:58,709 field more we'll all hear more from him 396 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:01,740 yeah I had ralph Blumenthal on way back 397 00:16:06,139 --> 00:16:04,529 a couple years ago and he actually we've 398 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:06,149 been in communication hopefully he's 399 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:07,620 going to come on within a few months but 400 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:09,300 he said he has some more reporting to do 401 00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:12,570 but real quickly about your about your 402 00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:14,279 conference the International UFO 403 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:16,740 Congress coming up in February it starts 404 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:21,000 February 14th or 15th 14th so it starts 405 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,740 on Valentine's Day now I'm gonna be 406 00:16:25,699 --> 00:16:24,240 there and I'm gonna be broadcasting just 407 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:25,709 to let anyone know if you're listening 408 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:27,690 and you're going to be there I hope you 409 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:31,140 join us and look me up I'd love to meet 410 00:16:35,449 --> 00:16:33,300 anyone that's the listens to the show 411 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:35,459 there that so that's going to be on 412 00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:38,010 Valentine's Day and it's going to be at 413 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:39,899 6 p.m. local time 414 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,690 a Phoenix time 4 p.m. Eastern Standard 415 00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:45,120 Time we're gonna hear if you're the bra 416 00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:47,279 Joey's oh yeah you've got to ask for a 417 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:49,620 break or to time off because you're an 418 00:16:54,410 --> 00:16:51,630 employee for the conference so 419 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:54,420 that's what in your request and I see 420 00:16:59,180 --> 00:16:57,240 get that in writing that yeah yeah okay 421 00:17:01,160 --> 00:16:59,190 all right I'll get that 422 00:17:02,990 --> 00:17:01,170 I'll get that certified this week all 423 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:03,000 right all right alejandro thanks so much 424 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:05,640 and yeah thank you all right we could 425 00:17:08,539 --> 00:17:07,260 talk to you next week all right talk to 426 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:08,549 you soon all right 427 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:12,270 okay so our guest is we have Linda 428 00:17:18,340 --> 00:17:14,610 Zimmerman now she is a former research 429 00:17:21,770 --> 00:17:18,350 scientist and she began paranormal 430 00:17:23,569 --> 00:17:21,780 investigations over 20 years ago and she 431 00:17:25,579 --> 00:17:23,579 is now an award-winning author she has 432 00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:25,589 over 30 books I couldn't believe I was 433 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:26,760 looking through her books the other day 434 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:30,600 and a lot of them are on haunts and 435 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:32,340 we're gonna be talking about her ghost 436 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,200 investigations and she's also been on TV 437 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,360 a few times we're gonna be talking at 438 00:17:43,820 --> 00:17:41,760 first we're gonna talk about UFOs and 439 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:43,830 then we'll get into the other stuff 440 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:46,950 Linda welcome back to the show thank you 441 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:49,350 always a pleasure to be here yes you're 442 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:51,270 always a great guest I'm always always 443 00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:54,270 enjoyed having you on thank you yeah 444 00:18:01,640 --> 00:17:56,700 so right off the bat I would like to 445 00:18:03,409 --> 00:18:01,650 talk about what has happened since we 446 00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:03,419 were talking briefly ahead of time 447 00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:06,030 what's happened in your world since the 448 00:18:12,649 --> 00:18:09,720 story broke on December 16th and the New 449 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:12,659 York Times well it was amazing I 450 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:15,630 immediately was getting calls and emails 451 00:18:21,169 --> 00:18:18,960 and Facebook messages you know did you 452 00:18:23,659 --> 00:18:21,179 know that pilots were seeing things that 453 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:23,669 they couldn't explain and you know at 454 00:18:28,940 --> 00:18:25,470 first I'm like well what are we talking 455 00:18:34,430 --> 00:18:28,950 the 40s the 50s which decade because to 456 00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:34,440 us this is not new news but so many 457 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:36,600 people they finally listened they 458 00:18:41,899 --> 00:18:39,840 finally heard what was being said and it 459 00:18:45,159 --> 00:18:41,909 really affected them and people who 460 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:45,169 didn't have really any previous interest 461 00:18:52,220 --> 00:18:49,320 suddenly they wanted to know and I've 462 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:52,230 been getting I've had a big uptick in 463 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:57,230 people sending me their UFO stories from 464 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:01,200 anywhere from last year to the 1970s 465 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:04,110 it's just it's kind of opened the 466 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:05,280 floodgates and the 467 00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:07,980 is just it's a wonderful time to be a 468 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:13,140 real UFO researcher absolutely and so 469 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:15,030 where do you think I mean it's 470 00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:18,210 interesting how I don't know if you've 471 00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:20,550 noticed this but people that have not 472 00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:22,500 really paid attention to UFOs are 473 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:27,000 actually talking about him exactly I got 474 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:29,730 an email from one friend who you know 475 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:33,870 kind of would jokingly scoff at my 476 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:37,410 interest in UFOs and suddenly he's you 477 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,090 have to pay attention to this yes that's 478 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:45,120 that's what I've been doing you know 479 00:19:52,550 --> 00:19:47,430 it's like a whole generation of people 480 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:52,560 have discovered UFOs and it's it's 481 00:19:58,700 --> 00:19:56,310 really opened a lot of eyes and and I 482 00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,710 hope the information keeps coming out 483 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:01,200 because we can't you know the attention 484 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,300 span of the average person is you know 485 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:06,000 about five seconds that's right no we 486 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,320 really need to keep up everybody keep 487 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:12,240 doing what they're doing and getting 488 00:20:16,790 --> 00:20:14,190 more and more information out there I 489 00:20:20,180 --> 00:20:16,800 agree a hundred percent and another 490 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:20,190 thing is we have to make sure the people 491 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:22,230 that are looking for information get the 492 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:25,530 right information exactly it's very 493 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:28,650 unfortunate that there's so much bogus 494 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:31,050 information out there that is going to 495 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:32,940 quickly turn someone away you know I 496 00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:35,160 mean once they get involved in something 497 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:36,750 to find out it's a hoax or something 498 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:38,850 like that there's really no we have no 499 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:41,610 control over it but all we can do is you 500 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:43,260 know keep our side of the street clean 501 00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:46,370 so to speak and do what we can do right 502 00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:50,430 right you know I I avoid the politics I 503 00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:55,340 avoid you know the controversies my goal 504 00:21:01,700 --> 00:20:58,470 get the information do the research 505 00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:01,710 interview the people and then spread the 506 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:05,550 stories get that information out in a 507 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:09,300 you know in just a clean unbiased way 508 00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:11,700 here's the information let the people 509 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:13,380 decide what to do with it don't 510 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:16,110 embellish it you don't need to embellish 511 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:18,260 a UFO story I think 512 00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:21,140 that's right right there they're crazy 513 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:24,380 enough exactly exactly 514 00:21:28,419 --> 00:21:26,570 someone just emailed me yesterday he 515 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:28,429 said I know you're gonna think I sound 516 00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:32,809 as nutty as a Snickers bar he had his 517 00:21:39,549 --> 00:21:36,559 story to tell from again 1983 decades 518 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:39,559 and decades ago but now he felt was the 519 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,230 time to come out and tell someone I'm 520 00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:44,960 actually getting email as well from a 521 00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:46,940 number of people that are you know 522 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:48,500 possibly the first time they've ever 523 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:50,410 talked about I don't really know that 524 00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:54,169 yeah it's it's it's it's good times I'm 525 00:22:01,299 --> 00:21:57,320 I'm really glad that I've stuck to this 526 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:01,309 long enough to see this this happen and 527 00:22:07,539 --> 00:22:04,360 and I think it's you know if it can be 528 00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,549 like you just said the attention span 529 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:09,200 everything's so ephemeral if it just 530 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:13,730 goes so quickly and and with everything 531 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:16,640 in the news now especially politics 532 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,770 people are just like wow that's really 533 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:20,720 something then next week you know they 534 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:22,820 forget all about it next day's news 535 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:26,090 cycle and it's all all forgotten there's 536 00:22:31,930 --> 00:22:29,809 a lot of point still in this story that 537 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:31,940 I would like to see people really delve 538 00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:35,030 into like what caught my attention I I 539 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:37,940 grew up during the the Mercury Gemini 540 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:41,210 Apollo you know mission oh yeah I was I 541 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:45,230 was a space baby and I love astronauts I 542 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:47,450 have a wall of astronaut photos and when 543 00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:50,450 I heard that John Glenn was the one 544 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:54,020 urging Harry Reid to look into this that 545 00:23:01,570 --> 00:22:57,650 really caught my attention because Glenn 546 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:01,580 was didn't really dip his toe into that 547 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:06,410 subject during his career he was you 548 00:23:14,169 --> 00:23:10,330 know he stood you know he stood back and 549 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:14,179 to know that he had seen something or 550 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:17,270 know people who had I would love to know 551 00:23:23,470 --> 00:23:21,290 more of what what he knew and actually I 552 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:23,480 was reminded I don't know if you ever 553 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:25,250 used to watch the show Fraser 554 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,600 oh yeah yeah in 2001 John Glenn was on 555 00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:31,520 Frasier and they had it was kind of 556 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:31,929 present 557 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:35,230 as a little spoof where he just started 558 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:37,450 talking about all these UFO sightings 559 00:23:43,169 --> 00:23:40,690 and how he hated to cover up the truth 560 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:43,179 and you know they were telling him you 561 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:45,700 can't say what you saw you know and he 562 00:23:51,749 --> 00:23:48,070 felt bad about that and you know they 563 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:51,759 presented it as a you know as a comedy 564 00:23:59,639 --> 00:23:55,869 but in retrospect maybe he was telling 565 00:24:01,440 --> 00:23:59,649 the truth you know about that I I don't 566 00:24:03,389 --> 00:24:01,450 remember him on there I didn't happen to 567 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:03,399 see that particular one but he was 568 00:24:09,149 --> 00:24:05,049 definitely a hero of mine when I was a 569 00:24:12,029 --> 00:24:09,159 child absolutely absolutely so on 570 00:24:15,539 --> 00:24:12,039 someone of the caliber of John Glenn I 571 00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,549 don't I don't know how the younger 572 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:17,919 generations feel about astronauts but 573 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:20,860 they were our heroes they were yeah they 574 00:24:29,399 --> 00:24:24,129 just did the most amazing things and to 575 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:29,409 me there is no better caliber person to 576 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:33,330 observe a UFO then then an astronaut or 577 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:36,129 you know a test pilot or something like 578 00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:39,220 that so I don't know if it's possible to 579 00:24:47,009 --> 00:24:43,179 find out more about what he knew or you 580 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:47,019 know but I'm hoping to see more of that 581 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:50,289 aspect of the story yeah so that makes 582 00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:53,470 that's about four astronauts maybe even 583 00:24:59,869 --> 00:24:57,549 five you know I know the fourth man on 584 00:25:02,190 --> 00:24:59,879 the moon I've got to interview Alan bean 585 00:25:05,369 --> 00:25:02,200 about his artwork on another show that I 586 00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:05,379 do but when I asked him if you talk 587 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:08,860 about the major UFO sighting he had you 588 00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:11,590 know that's well documented he wouldn't 589 00:25:15,869 --> 00:25:13,960 talk about it so I don't know how many 590 00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:15,879 astronauts actually talk about it 591 00:25:21,899 --> 00:25:18,940 there aren't too many I actually give a 592 00:25:25,609 --> 00:25:21,909 lecture on astronaut UFO sightings 593 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:25,619 oh well something I started years ago 594 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:29,769 and a lot more has come out but I don't 595 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:31,929 know what kind of agreements they signed 596 00:25:37,649 --> 00:25:34,809 but I think it does a disservice to 597 00:25:42,299 --> 00:25:37,659 science to not talk about it because 598 00:25:45,370 --> 00:25:42,309 these are the people we can trust and if 599 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:45,380 they have a legitimate sighting 600 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:48,250 people should know about it so maybe 601 00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:51,620 maybe this whole Pentagon UFO thing will 602 00:25:59,950 --> 00:25:56,030 start you know loosening that up as well 603 00:26:04,300 --> 00:25:59,960 and having more people come forward in 604 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:04,310 that field I can't believe I asked seth 605 00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:07,700 shostack i said well what do you think 606 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:09,100 about you know astronaut there's 607 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:12,170 astronauts that i've seen you know ufos 608 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,490 what do you think about that and he said 609 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:15,200 that makes absolutely no difference 610 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:16,850 there know better than anyone else 611 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,100 that's that was his you know and I 612 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:20,720 totally disagree with that 613 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:26,570 that's ridiculous that yeah I lose all 614 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:28,310 respect for somebody who says something 615 00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:31,130 like that I mean that's that's a strong 616 00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:33,470 statement but how can you say that 617 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:35,630 they're so highly trained they were the 618 00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:37,010 best of the best 619 00:26:40,930 --> 00:26:39,560 yeah yeah they didn't get to be an 620 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:40,940 astronaut by accident 621 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:44,440 you know really you know splendid skills 622 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:47,210 with everything you know mass you name 623 00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:49,910 it everything oh yeah you know PhDs in 624 00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:52,100 engineering and test pilots and fighter 625 00:26:59,770 --> 00:26:56,270 pilots how many hours did they spend in 626 00:27:03,220 --> 00:26:59,780 the air and in space and their lives 627 00:27:06,670 --> 00:27:03,230 depend on every single observation they 628 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:06,680 make every second so to make that 629 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:12,650 statement that's come on you know if you 630 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:14,450 really I mean sometimes I think about 631 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:19,370 this and I I reflect on it 1969 we were 632 00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:22,070 on the moon I mean and you think of what 633 00:27:28,030 --> 00:27:26,030 we had for computers for equipment you 634 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:28,040 know I mean they say a key a key chain 635 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:31,070 fob had more you know computer in it 636 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:34,010 then you know the space capsule I mean 637 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:36,170 it's just amazing that you actually 638 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:38,810 could accomplish that and such a short 639 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:39,260 time 640 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:41,810 twenty thousand people were involved in 641 00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:44,150 that and that's something that you know 642 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:46,280 these conspiracy theorists say we never 643 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:48,770 actually landed on the moon you know but 644 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:50,930 there were 20,000 people working on 645 00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:53,750 right right yeah that I have no time for 646 00:27:59,379 --> 00:27:58,310 those people either but yeah I just got 647 00:28:01,749 --> 00:27:59,389 have to tell you something really 648 00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:01,759 as I had I had someone on the show a 649 00:28:06,729 --> 00:28:04,789 while back that said no you know we 650 00:28:08,199 --> 00:28:06,739 never landed on the moon and so I told 651 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:08,209 him I said well how about we can 652 00:28:12,639 --> 00:28:11,089 actually see the Rovers and we can see 653 00:28:15,849 --> 00:28:12,649 the you know landing module and 654 00:28:17,469 --> 00:28:15,859 everything on the moon now you know 655 00:28:19,509 --> 00:28:17,479 there's photographs of them and he said 656 00:28:22,379 --> 00:28:19,519 oh they they put him up there afterwards 657 00:28:25,629 --> 00:28:22,389 we didn't have the technology then I 658 00:28:27,399 --> 00:28:25,639 love that one that's my favorite why let 659 00:28:33,969 --> 00:28:27,409 facts get in the way of a ridiculous 660 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:33,979 story so yeah go ahead 661 00:28:42,849 --> 00:28:38,690 No so getting back to the Pentagon UFO 662 00:28:44,709 --> 00:28:42,859 I understand there's at least you know 663 00:28:47,649 --> 00:28:44,719 now I heard George Knapp early on say 664 00:28:50,499 --> 00:28:47,659 that and I wish I could talk to Luis 665 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:50,509 Alessandro himself but supposedly George 666 00:28:53,979 --> 00:28:51,950 Knapp I think he said there was ten 667 00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:53,989 videos but there's supposed to be at 668 00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,179 least one that's gonna be coming out 669 00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:00,320 soon I hope so that was that was just a 670 00:29:05,049 --> 00:29:02,389 minute to hear the pilots in their own 671 00:29:10,719 --> 00:29:05,059 voice it's it's rotating it's you know 672 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:10,729 it's just just remarkable yes so the 673 00:29:17,229 --> 00:29:13,429 more the merrier keep keep it coming you 674 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:17,239 know in a steady stream and things will 675 00:29:24,879 --> 00:29:21,019 will have to change it was a what did I 676 00:29:26,649 --> 00:29:24,889 know it's amazing I actually you know I 677 00:29:28,449 --> 00:29:26,659 had Stan Freeman on a while back and 678 00:29:30,699 --> 00:29:28,459 full weeks ago and he said this is a 679 00:29:34,419 --> 00:29:30,709 whole new ballgame and I totally agree 680 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:34,429 it is right Yeah right yes but there 681 00:29:39,999 --> 00:29:37,519 were a couple of other points on that 682 00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,009 New York Times article that that caught 683 00:29:48,069 --> 00:29:43,279 my attention one of them when it was 684 00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:48,079 talking about Bigelow modifying one of 685 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:50,929 his buildings to hold material 686 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:55,360 supposedly from I don't know if it's 687 00:30:02,100 --> 00:29:57,910 I don't know if it actually specified 688 00:30:04,919 --> 00:30:02,110 but just some sort of material and I was 689 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:04,929 like modifying a building now if it was 690 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:07,809 radioactive just build a radiation lab 691 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:11,220 but why would you need to modify a 692 00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:16,090 building unless it was size possible 693 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:18,400 that's that's a good point 694 00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:21,070 but it brought me back to the case I 695 00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:23,140 spoke about last time I was on your show 696 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:28,840 about the in Connecticut in 1960 some 697 00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:31,809 metallic substances fell near Hartford 698 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:34,990 and New Haven and they did chemical 699 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:38,410 analysis on it had extremely high levels 700 00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:41,590 of barium and strontium which they 701 00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:43,660 couldn't understand why it was so high 702 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:47,830 but the thing was the substance was 703 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:50,620 losing weight and it was causing 704 00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:54,190 material around it to lose weight as 705 00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,080 well now Matt I can't understand it said 706 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:02,320 a large amount of material near this 707 00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:07,030 metallic substance was losing weight now 708 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:09,150 if this is something extraterrestrial 709 00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:13,840 and it causes things to lose weight lose 710 00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:17,169 mass lose mass yeah you kind of don't 711 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:22,080 want it near all of your lab equipment 712 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:25,900 so I I just wanted to bring that up 713 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:28,540 because of course this is not the first 714 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:30,910 time they claim to have something and 715 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,040 the fact that they were modifying the 716 00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:36,640 building you know quarto sort of put up 717 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:39,100 some red flags for me saying well what 718 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:41,410 kind of unique properties does it have 719 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:45,910 that they are you know they have to 720 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:48,970 build something or modify something it 721 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:52,450 could be just a very huge object or it 722 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:54,570 could be doing something to normal 723 00:32:00,659 --> 00:31:58,090 terrestrial material that is highly 724 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:00,669 unusual now I saw it now I don't know if 725 00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:02,470 this is related at all but I saw real 726 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:06,340 cryptic tweet from Tom DeLonge someone 727 00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:09,370 actually sent it to me of like 728 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:12,100 material chemical analysis of something 729 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:13,570 and I thought wow does this have 730 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:15,730 anything to do with that you know I mean 731 00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:20,650 but even even so you know it's probably 732 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:22,780 made up of elements that are all through 733 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:26,050 the universe whatever it is right but 734 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:27,700 they can certainly tell like when a 735 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:31,540 meteor meteorite is examined they can 736 00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:35,250 tell by the composition and the gases 737 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,660 where it's from and this may just have 738 00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:42,880 things that are highly unusual I don't 739 00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:44,500 know I haven't gotten any more 740 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:48,040 information on that I would love to hear 741 00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:52,390 about chemical compositions or a little 742 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:54,340 bit more do you know are they planning 743 00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:56,650 on releasing any more on the substances 744 00:33:00,750 --> 00:32:59,500 all I know is that Bigelow is not really 745 00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:00,760 talking to anyone right now 746 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:03,340 he may change I mean he's got his hands 747 00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:06,190 full with the you know his space program 748 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,800 but but I think he's purposely not 749 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:11,200 talking to anyone right now about any of 750 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:13,210 this Linda just one quick second would 751 00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:15,520 you mind lifting your your mic up a 752 00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:18,430 little bit like just up I'll tell you 753 00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,660 what it's off a little further a little 754 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:22,960 further right there's perfect okay okay 755 00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:26,050 all right that's perfect so yeah I would 756 00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:28,660 really be interested in that you know 757 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:30,040 what what happens with that you 758 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:31,300 mentioned there was something a few 759 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:33,250 things is there something else about 760 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:35,470 that article as well well the the other 761 00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:39,310 thing um you know my my special area of 762 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:40,620 interest is the Hudson Valley 763 00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,730 particularly the Hudson Valley wave of 764 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:46,000 the 1980s and I posted something for the 765 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:48,370 35th anniversary just a couple of weeks 766 00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:50,650 ago and immediately people are saying 767 00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:52,900 well everyone knows they were secret 768 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:55,900 government craft like you know what did 769 00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:58,090 you have a week you know a summer job at 770 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:00,710 skunk works how do you know this and 771 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,010 [Music] 772 00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:04,960 when Lewis Elizondo I think it was on 773 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:08,710 CNN said that that the craft that was in 774 00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:11,950 the 2004 video that that is nothing in 775 00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:14,710 the u.s. inventory we don't have things 776 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:16,360 that can do that in the u.s. inventory 777 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:19,810 and I'm like well if we didn't have that 778 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:23,050 in 2004 we sure as heck didn't have 779 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:29,200 that 1983 in 1984 so I think we have to 780 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:34,170 now reevaluate all previous sightings if 781 00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:37,780 it's not us governor how many sightings 782 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:39,460 can you name I mean we could spend the 783 00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:41,050 rest of the night how many sightings 784 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:43,480 have can we name that are explained away 785 00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:47,050 as secret government projects a lot of 786 00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,230 the skeptics that's where though they'll 787 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:51,480 that's well they'll turn the whole thing 788 00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:54,610 you know people are saying that it's 789 00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:56,620 probably something you know most likely 790 00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:58,990 military I mean I hear that over and 791 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:01,570 over again one of the things they don't 792 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:04,540 talk about is what you just said the 793 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:05,560 early sightings 794 00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,110 I mean they've seen things going 20,000 795 00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,440 miles an hour in the late 60s right you 796 00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:12,880 know and that's not going to be 797 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:15,100 something a government had I mean they 798 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:16,990 couldn't hide something that long anyway 799 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,110 and that goes also over and over again 800 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:23,200 for the triangle UFOs that's what that's 801 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:24,370 what you hear all the time that is a 802 00:35:28,350 --> 00:35:26,530 type of military and it's possible the 803 00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,360 military has something that we don't 804 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:30,880 know about but there's a lot of 805 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:32,290 questions that would have to be answered 806 00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:34,510 one why would something like that fly 807 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:36,580 over a populated area and someone wrote 808 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:38,290 me out last time I said that and they 809 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:39,430 said because they want to see the 810 00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:43,750 reaction to it you know so I don't know 811 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:46,300 I mean it's all speculation but I 812 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:48,820 certainly don't think that we had 813 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,890 something like that you know 40 50 years 814 00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:52,200 ago absolutely not 815 00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,440 yes so I think with with his statement 816 00:36:01,590 --> 00:35:58,480 and with whatever more informations 817 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:01,600 coming out we now have to re-evaluate 818 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:05,830 the history of UFOs and those skeptics 819 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:08,110 are going to have to go back to their 820 00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:11,260 swamp gas theories now did you watch any 821 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:13,660 of the interviews with people like say 822 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:16,810 Neil deGrasse Tyson on this did you 823 00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:19,240 watch any of those I did not I did not 824 00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:24,190 see his I heard some quotes yeah but he 825 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:26,590 seemed to at least think maybe it was a 826 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:28,450 good idea that we look into this 827 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,730 although that's right and one thing he 828 00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:33,520 did and I hope that people caught this 829 00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:37,180 I know Alejandro did was that he's 830 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:39,489 who's saying it's aliens and why would 831 00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:41,529 you go aliens and all that when never 832 00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:44,049 there was never one word about aliens in 833 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:46,359 that article no if there wasn't there 834 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,470 wasn't and I saw another article an 835 00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:53,440 interview with somebody from astronomy 836 00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:57,849 magazine in Boston and he's saying well 837 00:37:02,789 --> 00:37:00,190 you know we just spent a hundred and ten 838 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,799 million dollars on this and you know 839 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:05,170 this I'm like know right off the bat 840 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:07,210 you're incorrect it was twenty two 841 00:37:12,319 --> 00:37:09,700 million dollars over five years not 842 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:12,329 twenty five million dollars a year and 843 00:37:18,749 --> 00:37:16,930 completely dismissive and it's like no 844 00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:18,759 if you're going to be a skeptic about 845 00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:21,220 this and you're going to refute it at 846 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:25,839 least get your basic facts correct so 847 00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:30,190 and and who was it 848 00:37:37,769 --> 00:37:33,180 michio kaku who said hypersonic drones 849 00:37:40,349 --> 00:37:37,779 possibly that correct hear that yeah I 850 00:37:43,769 --> 00:37:40,359 think he said he had a he had a fairly 851 00:37:45,569 --> 00:37:43,779 positive attitude he did but he still 852 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:45,579 said who knows maybe it's hypersonic 853 00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:49,450 drones okay I think someone did send 854 00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:51,940 that to me yeah yeah hypersonic drones 855 00:38:00,089 --> 00:37:57,160 that are enormous tic tacs yeah so still 856 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:00,099 I I don't pretend to know what this what 857 00:38:07,229 --> 00:38:04,140 the secret government projects are but 858 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:07,239 again when somebody like Elizondo who 859 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:09,819 should know because he is assessing 860 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:13,210 aerial threats he should know what we 861 00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:15,910 have in our inventory and if he said 862 00:38:22,859 --> 00:38:19,359 things that can hover go really fast no 863 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:22,869 visible means of propulsion or wings you 864 00:38:29,219 --> 00:38:25,569 know and so on that we didn't have that 865 00:38:32,099 --> 00:38:29,229 in 2004 well that let's go back and look 866 00:38:36,319 --> 00:38:32,109 at every sighting you know that has a 867 00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:36,329 military excuse prior to 2004 and 868 00:38:42,809 --> 00:38:39,700 there's a lot of them as you know the 869 00:38:44,969 --> 00:38:42,819 naval commander David flavor 870 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:44,979 he's been on a number of interviews he 871 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:46,900 was just interviewed by the Boston Globe 872 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:50,650 I think today it came out but I love the 873 00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:51,130 DEET 874 00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:53,980 he's giving of this that so-called 875 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,500 tic-tac about it being you know a few 876 00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:58,240 feet above the water and absolutely no 877 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:01,420 like rotor wash or any means of 878 00:39:06,990 --> 00:39:04,420 propulsion nothing and it just digging 879 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:07,000 back and forth you know it's really 880 00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:09,070 quite amazing that he actually saw that 881 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:11,140 I'm trying to get him on the show I have 882 00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:13,510 not heard back wonderful I did get a 883 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:14,980 connection we'll see what happens yeah 884 00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:17,590 that would be that would be great and 885 00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:19,840 it's great that these people are 886 00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,340 actually talking about and one of the 887 00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:23,200 things he did say in the Boston Globe 888 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:25,390 article today is people really need to 889 00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:26,590 take this seriously 890 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:29,080 and I love that that you know more 891 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:31,330 people are saying that ya pilots are 892 00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:33,820 just wonderful the details they they 893 00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:35,560 come up with their my there are some of 894 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:38,470 my favorite witnesses yeah absolutely I 895 00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:41,050 mean there's another another great 896 00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,380 witness our pilots and unfortunately you 897 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:46,150 know I had this conversation the other 898 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:49,840 day that FAA just wants to turn their 899 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:51,220 heads when it comes to like commercial 900 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,900 pilots they don't want to know anything 901 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:54,480 about what they see 902 00:40:02,370 --> 00:39:58,800 yes great way to kill your career is to 903 00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:02,380 just just state what you saw right 904 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:04,840 that's again that is doing a disservice 905 00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,720 to science and to people who've spent 906 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:09,880 their whole careers you know dedicated 907 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:13,060 to flying if you don't respect them and 908 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:16,030 you don't think they can understand what 909 00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:17,710 they're looking at why are you putting 910 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:21,520 them you know in the cockpit of a 911 00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:23,140 multi-million dollar plane with a 912 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:26,070 several hundred passengers absolutely 913 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:29,650 absolutely so so Linda before we move on 914 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:31,480 to the hunting part of your research 915 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:33,880 which I had no idea I don't know how you 916 00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,830 and I got in that conversation to begin 917 00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:38,800 with but before we go there I would love 918 00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:41,140 for you to tell your UFO sighting story 919 00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:42,670 I know you did the last time you were on 920 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:45,460 but I just love to hear that story so if 921 00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:48,600 you would share that with us sure it was 922 00:40:56,490 --> 00:40:52,750 December of 1979 and I was in college 923 00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:56,500 and sitting around in my red furry 924 00:41:01,920 --> 00:40:59,140 bathrobe and with my boyfriend and 925 00:41:03,089 --> 00:41:01,930 another friend and someone else comes 926 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:03,099 running in and 927 00:41:08,819 --> 00:41:06,460 saying there's there's three lights out 928 00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:08,829 there so we go running outside and it's 929 00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:12,400 three whitish yellow lights flying 930 00:41:21,569 --> 00:41:15,880 flying along in a kind of a v-shaped 931 00:41:24,809 --> 00:41:21,579 formation and me being me I like jump in 932 00:41:28,589 --> 00:41:24,819 the car let's go let's follow them so we 933 00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:28,599 follow them long story but eventually we 934 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:32,319 follow them to a state park Harriman 935 00:41:39,509 --> 00:41:35,849 State Park this Lake T arathi and 936 00:41:41,789 --> 00:41:39,519 sitting there looking looking for them 937 00:41:43,019 --> 00:41:41,799 because they had kind of disappeared for 938 00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:43,029 a little while and then all of a sudden 939 00:41:48,089 --> 00:41:45,700 one comes from I can just picture this 940 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:48,099 one comes from the east one comes from 941 00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,170 the north one comes from the south and 942 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:53,200 they're all converging right by this 943 00:41:57,809 --> 00:41:55,650 lake where we're sitting in the car and 944 00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,819 we're like oh my god they're going to 945 00:42:03,329 --> 00:41:59,920 crash they're you know they're going to 946 00:42:07,499 --> 00:42:03,339 explode they come together in a bright 947 00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:07,509 flash of light and then as as one object 948 00:42:12,569 --> 00:42:08,920 I don't know how this happened these 949 00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:12,579 three objects became one lower onto the 950 00:42:17,549 --> 00:42:15,309 mountain top right just a few hundred 951 00:42:20,249 --> 00:42:17,559 feet away from us and there's this 952 00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:20,259 pulsating glow at the top of the 953 00:42:26,579 --> 00:42:22,869 mountain at this point the state trooper 954 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:26,589 shows up and here's a 19 year old girl 955 00:42:32,549 --> 00:42:29,609 in a bathrobe with two guys in a state 956 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,559 know just to interrupt you real quickly 957 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:35,680 did he show up did someone tell him they 958 00:42:40,019 --> 00:42:37,450 saw something or do you just happen to 959 00:42:44,279 --> 00:42:40,029 be driving that way I have no idea we 960 00:42:46,499 --> 00:42:44,289 were our sight was fixed on this glowing 961 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,509 object and all of a sudden there's a 962 00:42:53,009 --> 00:42:48,640 state trooper by our car you know what 963 00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:53,019 are you people doing and I said turning 964 00:42:57,209 --> 00:42:54,670 you know I tried to explain and not 965 00:43:00,209 --> 00:42:57,219 sound too crazy and I said turn around 966 00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,219 and look and he turned around and the 967 00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:02,460 you know the mean expression suddenly 968 00:43:05,759 --> 00:43:05,380 white as a sheet and he said get out of 969 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:05,769 here 970 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:12,700 a state trooper scared it's like okay 971 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:14,950 maybe we should get out of here 972 00:43:20,729 --> 00:43:16,569 so we 973 00:43:23,009 --> 00:43:20,739 took off he passed us he was hauling he 974 00:43:26,789 --> 00:43:23,019 couldn't get out of there fast enough 975 00:43:28,799 --> 00:43:26,799 and I would love if some day this story 976 00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:28,809 got to him and he got back to me I'd 977 00:43:35,009 --> 00:43:32,079 loved it clearly was something he had 978 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:35,019 seen or experienced before and wanted no 979 00:43:39,959 --> 00:43:37,390 part of again Lee that's how you feel 980 00:43:41,669 --> 00:43:39,969 about it that's how it because otherwise 981 00:43:44,939 --> 00:43:41,679 if you just turn around and you see a 982 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:44,949 pulsating light you know I don't know 983 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:47,410 should it cause that much fear he was 984 00:43:53,479 --> 00:43:50,410 terrified he was terrified said it it 985 00:43:57,569 --> 00:43:53,489 seemed that this was not his first 986 00:44:01,650 --> 00:43:57,579 run-in with something like that so yeah 987 00:44:05,489 --> 00:44:01,660 that's that's my story right now roben 988 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:05,499 all were there are other witnesses that 989 00:44:13,019 --> 00:44:08,910 you're aware of or had anyone seen that 990 00:44:16,439 --> 00:44:13,029 at a different time you know did it come 991 00:44:19,319 --> 00:44:16,449 back I don't know if anyone else saw it 992 00:44:22,949 --> 00:44:19,329 that night except my boyfriend remembers 993 00:44:24,449 --> 00:44:22,959 it and he described it in the same you 994 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:24,459 know my boyfriend from the time we're 995 00:44:30,659 --> 00:44:27,130 still in touch and he described it the 996 00:44:33,479 --> 00:44:30,669 same way lost touch with one of the 997 00:44:35,819 --> 00:44:33,489 other people but I don't know who else 998 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:35,829 had seen it that night I spoke to 999 00:44:40,499 --> 00:44:38,049 someone who worked at the state park and 1000 00:44:43,319 --> 00:44:40,509 he doesn't remember that particular 1001 00:44:45,899 --> 00:44:43,329 night and he said oh I lived in the park 1002 00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:45,909 he said we used to see things all the 1003 00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:46,599 time 1004 00:44:54,739 --> 00:44:51,640 Wow so real hot spot there yeah yeah 1005 00:44:59,489 --> 00:44:54,749 the hot spots have always baffled me how 1006 00:45:01,559 --> 00:44:59,499 how or why they are hot spots you know I 1007 00:45:03,299 --> 00:45:01,569 don't know people that's the number one 1008 00:45:06,059 --> 00:45:03,309 question people say you know why the 1009 00:45:09,299 --> 00:45:06,069 Hudson Valley why particular places like 1010 00:45:13,049 --> 00:45:09,309 Pine Bush yeah I don't know I don't know 1011 00:45:16,489 --> 00:45:13,059 if it's something that was here long 1012 00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:16,499 before we were something about the 1013 00:45:23,009 --> 00:45:20,339 geology the water I I just don't know 1014 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:23,019 speaking about that phrase something 1015 00:45:28,229 --> 00:45:25,900 here a long time ago I just want to say 1016 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,239 that next week Alyssa the listener next 1017 00:45:33,089 --> 00:45:30,640 week we have Erich von däniken 1018 00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,099 he's going to be on but you have to 1019 00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:35,440 realize that the show is going to be a 1020 00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:37,240 different time it's going to be at 11:00 1021 00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:39,640 a.m. Eastern Standard Time because uh 1022 00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,369 he's in Sweden and I have to accommodate 1023 00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,640 the time for him so just to let the Wow 1024 00:45:48,089 --> 00:45:46,000 next week 1025 00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:48,099 Erich von däniken but at 11:00 a.m. that 1026 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:50,109 should be a fun show he's he's always a 1027 00:46:02,400 --> 00:45:52,510 lot of fun oh that's amazing so I'm kind 1028 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:02,410 of the warm-up act for fun Donovan so 1029 00:46:09,769 --> 00:46:05,710 yeah that's that's really I love to hear 1030 00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:09,779 first account first-hand accounts of 1031 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:12,069 sightings and that one's such a unique 1032 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:14,740 one were they look now the thing I've 1033 00:46:18,269 --> 00:46:16,450 heard is the opposite of that from a 1034 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:18,279 number of people that they've seen well 1035 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:20,890 Charles halt for one that it bursts into 1036 00:46:26,819 --> 00:46:24,490 several lights a friend of mine saw what 1037 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:26,829 looked like a square box that burst into 1038 00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:30,010 five lights and then rotated around you 1039 00:46:33,779 --> 00:46:31,750 know hear about them coming apart but 1040 00:46:37,019 --> 00:46:33,789 never joining us one that's really 1041 00:46:39,089 --> 00:46:37,029 bizarre yeah I and I have absolutely no 1042 00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:39,099 explanation for it I I don't even know 1043 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:42,700 how that's possible it didn't look like 1044 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:45,910 three blobs stuck together it looked 1045 00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:50,049 like one round object it had completely 1046 00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:54,460 changed so I'm very fortunate to have 1047 00:47:00,779 --> 00:46:57,460 have seen that so I guess I was destined 1048 00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,789 from a young age to do what I do now is 1049 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:02,319 that what actually sparked your interest 1050 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:04,089 into looking at all the different things 1051 00:47:12,059 --> 00:47:08,770 you look at I was always very much into 1052 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:12,069 all the strange stories and you know the 1053 00:47:17,250 --> 00:47:14,410 paranormal when I was a kid it's nothing 1054 00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:17,260 I thought I was going to do but how I 1055 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:21,150 got into it was I was writing about 1056 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:23,950 local history for my County's 1057 00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,720 Bicentennial in the in the 1990s and 1058 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:29,920 Pete I was giving a series of lectures 1059 00:47:35,609 --> 00:47:32,890 and people were asking started asking 1060 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:35,619 about ghost stories that's kind of a 1061 00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:37,990 little miffed I'm like I'm giving a 1062 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:41,500 history lecture you know it's like all 1063 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:43,770 right I like ghost stories so 1064 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,650 one of my history lectures I told one 1065 00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:49,200 ghost the one ghost story I knew for my 1066 00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:53,430 County and the next day this librarian 1067 00:48:01,930 --> 00:47:55,110 calls she goes sir are you the ghost 1068 00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:01,940 lady no I hear you give ghost lectures I 1069 00:48:07,340 --> 00:48:04,100 [Music] 1070 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:07,350 told one ghost or she goes could you do 1071 00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:11,640 a ghost lecture for us so I really you 1072 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:14,940 know you get you get you know a few 1073 00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:17,370 dozen people for a history lecture you 1074 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:21,030 get 200 for a ghost lecture it's it's 1075 00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,170 it's unbelievable and I don't word just 1076 00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:27,480 spread I honest to god Martin I did not 1077 00:48:33,590 --> 00:48:30,630 lift a finger to do this people started 1078 00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,600 sending me their house keys I hear 1079 00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,640 you're the ghost investigator we're 1080 00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,440 going on vacation can you come 1081 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:40,380 investigate my home while we're away we 1082 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:42,990 think we have a ghost I'm like what's 1083 00:48:52,730 --> 00:48:47,490 just been I so in rapid succession I 1084 00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:52,740 became the ghost lady and I now my first 1085 00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:56,880 ghost book was 20 years ago already 1998 1086 00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:58,770 I finally after doing it for awhile I 1087 00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:01,380 said maybe I should come out with a book 1088 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:06,060 there's so much interest in this and I'm 1089 00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:08,010 sorry was it is it your science 1090 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:09,960 background the reason that people took 1091 00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:11,490 you serious right off the bat do you 1092 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:15,540 think I I would like to think so yeah I 1093 00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:19,050 you know I was a research scientist for 1094 00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,750 a medical diagnostics company and I'm 1095 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:24,420 very much into the history and I do my 1096 00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:26,610 research and I respect people's privacy 1097 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:30,260 you know I've never divulged anybody's 1098 00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:34,170 identity or location and perhaps they 1099 00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:36,510 just saw I was going about it the right 1100 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:40,350 way in a respectful way and nobody was 1101 00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:41,970 doing it back then 1102 00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,230 within I don't know eight ten years 1103 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:47,520 everybody was getting a clever acronym 1104 00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:50,100 and t-shirts and they were suddenly all 1105 00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:52,350 you know ghost hunters and the shows 1106 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:56,190 started coming on but I had already 1107 00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,690 established myself 1108 00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:00,540 a long time ago and they're just you 1109 00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:02,820 know the who you gonna call 1110 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:07,560 there was nobody to call in most busters 1111 00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:11,970 Rocco sponsors or Linda simmerman yeah I 1112 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:13,740 don't know how many times people have 1113 00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:22,310 so that's how it all I had no intentions 1114 00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:24,150 of writing about ghosts 1115 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:27,300 I was just swept into it and I went with 1116 00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:30,510 it and I was absolutely fascinated and I 1117 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:34,230 was I was hooked from day one the places 1118 00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:37,290 I've been able to go into you know homes 1119 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:42,000 and museums and historic sites and and 1120 00:50:49,310 --> 00:50:45,810 experience things that nobody gets to do 1121 00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,320 it's it's nothing I'll ever stop doing 1122 00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:51,900 that's for sure wow that's great and 1123 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:54,510 it's funny we've talked about UFOs many 1124 00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:56,970 times I never knew this this side you 1125 00:51:04,010 --> 00:50:59,250 that's that's just fascinating 1126 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:04,020 I have many sides last week finished my 1127 00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:09,570 third zombie novel so I do that do but 1128 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,840 yeah the the UFOs actually came about 1129 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:14,880 because every time I'd give a ghost 1130 00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:16,890 lecture someone would come up to me 1131 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:19,070 afterwards and tell me their UFO story 1132 00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:22,410 and I'm like why are you telling me this 1133 00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:24,120 and I was like well you're the person to 1134 00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:25,860 do this because they liked the way I 1135 00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:29,640 handled the ghost cases and they thought 1136 00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:33,020 I was the one to hear their story and 1137 00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:36,600 investigated so one just one weird thing 1138 00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:42,300 there we go yeah one weird thing just 1139 00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,900 led to the other Wow Wow 1140 00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:48,720 so let's let's hear about some of the 1141 00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:50,790 cases now I actually I have to actually 1142 00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:53,670 told my ghost story oh I don't know what 1143 00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,940 it was so as a matter of fact I wouldn't 1144 00:52:01,280 --> 00:51:59,400 I wouldn't call it a ghost but it was 1145 00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:01,290 something that I actually experienced 1146 00:52:10,550 --> 00:52:08,280 yes that story and I'd call it a ghost I 1147 00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:10,560 would call it something that was not 1148 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,550 happy you were 1149 00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:13,920 cleaning out its house yeah well you do 1150 00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:17,310 remember that then yes yes yeah no and 1151 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:20,640 you know it's funny just oh oh I don't 1152 00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:23,970 know maybe two or three months ago I was 1153 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:27,900 called by a friend of a relative that 1154 00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:29,570 asked me to come over to their house 1155 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:31,710 their mother had recently passed away 1156 00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:33,510 and look at the antiques so I went over 1157 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:35,940 there and it was right next door to that 1158 00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,690 house so I said to them do you know the 1159 00:52:43,550 --> 00:52:42,000 people next door yeah I actually I 1160 00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:43,560 actually came out with it eventually 1161 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:45,150 while I was there because I ended up 1162 00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,680 feeling comfortable enough and told them 1163 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:49,200 you know basically the story but I still 1164 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:50,730 have I still want to go back to the 1165 00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:53,130 house to see if the if the people are 1166 00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:56,100 experiencing oh I don't blame you did 1167 00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:58,350 they know who that might have been was 1168 00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:01,980 it a past owner most likely you know 1169 00:53:07,610 --> 00:53:06,060 they don't know anything about it was it 1170 00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:07,620 was a relative of theirs but they did 1171 00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:10,830 not the neighbor yeah but you know it 1172 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:14,420 was bizarre but let's let's hear about 1173 00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,890 your let's start out with your first 1174 00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:19,020 investigation what was that actually 1175 00:53:24,110 --> 00:53:21,960 like my first investigation had no idea 1176 00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:24,120 what I was doing I had a camera I had a 1177 00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:27,630 cassette tape recorder that's so far 1178 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:32,040 back I go and it was the home of a 1179 00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,330 famous local surgeon she was she was an 1180 00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:38,700 international humanitarian had an AIDS 1181 00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,420 charity to Africa this beautiful mansion 1182 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:47,940 built in the and of the style of a 1183 00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:51,810 Scottish manor home from the 1300s and 1184 00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:55,140 I'm like what am i doing going to the 1185 00:54:02,000 --> 00:53:58,490 surgeons home but they had a ghost story 1186 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:02,010 they soon after they moved in she had 1187 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:05,850 her practice there the maid saw a very 1188 00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,290 tall man long straight silver hair who 1189 00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:12,780 was looking at her very sternly and then 1190 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:16,230 just vanished and they started hearing 1191 00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:19,010 footsteps doors opening and closing and 1192 00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:22,260 it wasn't threatening they they gave it 1193 00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:23,099 a name 1194 00:54:31,299 --> 00:54:26,700 and yeah they named the ghost and they 1195 00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:31,309 they dealt with it then one day some 1196 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:33,869 woman caught older woman comes to the 1197 00:54:39,799 --> 00:54:35,609 door and says you know what my father 1198 00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:39,809 built this home so the doctor said you 1199 00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:41,819 know this may sound I'm strange but this 1200 00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:43,349 is what we're seeing you know an 1201 00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:45,569 extremely tall man with long silver hair 1202 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:49,200 she doesn't miss a beat that's my dad he 1203 00:54:57,859 --> 00:54:53,940 was six foot six long white hair and he 1204 00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:57,869 built the home and when he loved it so 1205 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:01,109 much when he died he was buried on the 1206 00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:04,890 property and his tombstone read from 1207 00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,480 this place I shall never roam 1208 00:55:13,759 --> 00:55:10,079 [Music] 1209 00:55:16,339 --> 00:55:13,769 you can't this was my first case this 1210 00:55:18,499 --> 00:55:16,349 was my first case and I went to the home 1211 00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,509 and I'll tell you I'm upstairs in the 1212 00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,099 corridor where they saw them and I think 1213 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:22,559 I was shaking a little and nothing 1214 00:55:28,509 --> 00:55:26,729 nothing happened but you know it was an 1215 00:55:32,539 --> 00:55:28,519 amazing you know Oh 1216 00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:32,549 again a very high caliber group of 1217 00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:35,940 witnesses a famous surgeon and her staff 1218 00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:41,670 of nurses so I was from a very early 1219 00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,180 point in in my ghost hunting career able 1220 00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,940 to dismiss that belief that it's you 1221 00:55:53,029 --> 00:55:50,400 know people and overalls with a first 1222 00:55:58,099 --> 00:55:53,039 grade education who see ghosts that is 1223 00:56:01,249 --> 00:55:58,109 not the case right right and did you 1224 00:56:03,709 --> 00:56:01,259 have like a strange feeling when you 1225 00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:03,719 were in that not just your not just your 1226 00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,630 fear but like did you have a feeling 1227 00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:08,160 like I mean I think that's what a lot of 1228 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:11,160 people talk about there were a couple of 1229 00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,249 times where I did a quick turnaround 1230 00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:17,339 because I definitely felt like I was 1231 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:19,380 being watched you know when you think 1232 00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:23,729 somebody's right behind you so that that 1233 00:56:31,999 --> 00:56:26,819 was it but it kind of got my spidey 1234 00:56:36,529 --> 00:56:32,009 senses tingling and after doing a couple 1235 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:36,539 of hundred cases now now all I'm not a 1236 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:36,930 sigh 1237 00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:39,510 per se but when you do something over 1238 00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:41,670 and over again now I'll walk into a 1239 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:45,000 location I'm like okay you know this is 1240 00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:47,970 good this is bad you get a you develop a 1241 00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:49,380 sense for it 1242 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:54,240 and I've learned I said I've learned a 1243 00:57:01,160 --> 00:56:56,490 lot I had no idea what I was doing 1244 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:01,170 initially how could you I mean you know 1245 00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:03,210 you're you're in uncharted waters 1246 00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,869 basically at the time yeah back I mean I 1247 00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:10,079 mean now I mean they're using electronic 1248 00:57:15,859 --> 00:57:12,599 equipment and things like that and I 1249 00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:15,869 don't know how much you know that really 1250 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:20,849 works I have some but I think people get 1251 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:23,970 way too into they have to run out and 1252 00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,770 buy thousands of dollars of equipment 1253 00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:28,440 one woman did that and on her first 1254 00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:30,780 investigation she realized she was too 1255 00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:33,030 scared and hated it and there she stuck 1256 00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:38,190 with two grand in equipment but in a lot 1257 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:40,800 of these shows they say well we don't we 1258 00:57:46,339 --> 00:57:43,890 discount personal experience like what 1259 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:46,349 are you crazy no one has ever called me 1260 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:48,210 and said I woke up in the middle of the 1261 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,130 night because my EMF detectors going on 1262 00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:53,280 off no you call because you heard 1263 00:58:00,020 --> 00:57:55,619 footsteps or a door slammed or you saw 1264 00:58:03,530 --> 00:58:00,030 an apparition you know so it's very 1265 00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,540 important to to find out what people are 1266 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:05,640 experiencing if you can get something on 1267 00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:07,890 video or you can have a meter that will 1268 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:10,950 detect it wonderful but the real 1269 00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:13,410 haunting is in the personal experience 1270 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:16,980 and I've decided very early on the best 1271 00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:19,650 way for me to tell a ghost story is to 1272 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:21,990 try to experience that haunted activity 1273 00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,290 which is why the vast majority of the 1274 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:28,140 cases I write about I've been there I've 1275 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:29,130 been there done that 1276 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:32,130 really so I want to I want to be talking 1277 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:36,930 about them and so why don't we why don't 1278 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:39,410 we start with some of the cases that you 1279 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:41,970 investigated and would you say you were 1280 00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:43,530 right there you were right there when 1281 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:45,150 some things happened is that what you're 1282 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:46,770 saying oh absolutely 1283 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:49,490 yes now do you want to show some of the 1284 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:52,250 photos yeah we have yeah he's ready with 1285 00:58:58,540 --> 00:58:54,770 any of those photo shirts okay any story 1286 00:59:00,210 --> 00:58:58,550 you start talking about will YouTube if 1287 00:59:04,930 --> 00:59:00,220 we want to start with the Lizzie Borden 1288 00:59:08,109 --> 00:59:04,940 door Lizzie Borden Lizzie Borden so you 1289 00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:08,119 actually went to her place and fall what 1290 00:59:19,810 --> 00:59:14,680 it became a bed-and-breakfast home in 1291 00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:19,820 America right just just for like the 1292 00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:21,740 young people that don't know this story 1293 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:24,380 there was a they actually had Lizzie 1294 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,930 Borden took an axe and gave her mother 1295 00:59:30,970 --> 00:59:28,700 40 whacks and when she saw the what she 1296 00:59:32,410 --> 00:59:30,980 had done she gave her father 41 right is 1297 00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,420 that how that goes something like how 1298 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:35,119 the poem goes that is not correct 1299 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:39,530 accurate though no her her stepmother 1300 00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:42,050 was hit in the back of the head with an 1301 00:59:50,590 --> 00:59:47,240 axe 19 times and her father was hit in 1302 00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:50,600 the face 11 times with an axe so these 1303 00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:52,460 were very personal this happened on 1304 00:59:58,359 --> 00:59:55,310 August 4th 1892 in Fall River 1305 01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:58,369 Massachusetts the Borden's were very 1306 01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:01,160 wealthy but mr. Borden was a bit of a 1307 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:04,430 Scrooge and they lived in a very humble 1308 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:08,930 home with no plumbing no electricity and 1309 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:12,170 guess what the stepmother was getting 1310 01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:16,400 the father to change his will to make 1311 01:00:23,770 --> 01:00:20,150 her the main beneficiary and suddenly 1312 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:23,780 the two of them end up dead and of 1313 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:26,450 course it was kind of scandalous to 1314 01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:28,310 think a woman could have done something 1315 01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,670 like that so she was put on trial 1316 01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:34,160 she paid an enormous amount of money for 1317 01:00:39,310 --> 01:00:37,030 her legal team and she was acquitted and 1318 01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:39,320 immediately she and her sister bought a 1319 01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:42,430 huge mansion in the biggest part of town 1320 01:00:48,070 --> 01:00:44,869 but of course she was shunned the rest 1321 01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:48,080 of her life but I'd heard yes but her 1322 01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:51,920 house went through a series of private 1323 01:00:59,410 --> 01:00:55,160 owners and they experienced a lot of 1324 01:01:00,620 --> 01:00:59,420 things full-bodied apparitions doors 1325 01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:00,630 slamming 1326 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:03,030 it's going on and off you know all the 1327 01:01:10,850 --> 01:01:07,530 classic signs so again the best way to 1328 01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:10,860 experience a lizzie borden haunting is 1329 01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:14,310 to go stay in the Lizzie Borden house so 1330 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:19,440 back I think was 15 years ago we went on 1331 01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:23,970 the anniversary week of the of the crime 1332 01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:27,840 and long story short we show up at 1333 01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:31,470 check-in time there's no staff there's a 1334 01:01:37,310 --> 01:01:33,750 bunch of guests sitting inside waiting 1335 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:37,320 and the staff is missing and there's a 1336 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:40,740 lot of antiques in this house it's 1337 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:43,050 there's a bus station right across the 1338 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:45,090 street not the best part of town I was 1339 01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:48,450 like this isn't good so I called the 1340 01:01:54,290 --> 01:01:50,670 police just to see if they have contact 1341 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,300 information and when he found out there 1342 01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:56,520 were guests in the Lizzie Borden house 1343 01:02:01,640 --> 01:01:58,440 it was unlocked and the staff was 1344 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:01,650 missing all of a sudden there are cops 1345 01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:04,410 pounding on the front door I open the 1346 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:07,080 front door cops are running in look at 1347 01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,730 they think there's murder Vic they think 1348 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:11,520 the staff has been murdered I mean what 1349 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:13,530 are the chances I'm there on the 1350 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:15,690 anniversary week and cops are running 1351 01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:17,010 around the house looking for murder 1352 01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:18,020 victims 1353 01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:21,540 you can't like I hope I can write about 1354 01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:23,670 this I hope it was it turned out to be 1355 01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:27,600 very simple mix-up for the first time in 1356 01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:29,580 the six years of their history of being 1357 01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,280 opened it was just a staff mix-up but 1358 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:34,680 one of the cops went down into the 1359 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:37,410 basement where he swears he heard 1360 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,170 shuffling footsteps he followed the 1361 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:41,940 footsteps to the back of the basement 1362 01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:45,930 and there was a body in a coffin it was 1363 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:49,350 a Halloween prop but it scared the 1364 01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:51,650 bejesus out of him he came upstairs 1365 01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:55,590 white as a sheet so we had all this this 1366 01:03:00,080 --> 01:02:57,270 went on for hours we had all of this 1367 01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:00,090 excitement it was finally resolved we 1368 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:02,790 finally got to our room I was upstairs 1369 01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:06,960 in it was the maid's room at the time 1370 01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:10,470 and if you want to show the picture it's 1371 01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:13,140 the latches you're familiar with the 1372 01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:14,070 old-fashioned 1373 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:17,880 is where the bar is okay yep 1374 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:20,610 so before the investigation I said I 1375 01:03:26,060 --> 01:03:23,010 just need to chill for a little while so 1376 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:26,070 I stretched out on the bed 60 seconds 1377 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:28,650 later I hear hard-soled footsteps 1378 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:31,770 walking up to my door and stopping and 1379 01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,810 I'm like don't don't mess with the ghost 1380 01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:35,940 investigator I've got in the mood so I 1381 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:38,220 opened the door there's nobody there I 1382 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:40,170 check all the rooms there's nobody there 1383 01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,810 like all right I know what I heard I 1384 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:45,660 closed the door again second I go back 1385 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:46,410 to bed 1386 01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:49,710 same thing footsteps come right to the 1387 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:53,550 door only this time I hear clink and I 1388 01:04:00,020 --> 01:03:57,090 look as the latch raises out the bar 1389 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:00,030 laces raises out of the latch the door 1390 01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,330 swings starts to swing open I pull this 1391 01:04:08,330 --> 01:04:05,640 ninja move I come leaping out of bed 1392 01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:08,340 grab the door and I yell this isn't 1393 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:08,790 funny 1394 01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:11,610 and there's nobody there there was 1395 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:13,500 nobody on the third floor there was 1396 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:16,890 nobody on the second floor so I was like 1397 01:04:26,330 --> 01:04:23,850 okay game on game on no if it were me 1398 01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:26,340 I'd run out I couldn't I couldn't handle 1399 01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:28,440 something like that but you stayed there 1400 01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:31,560 I stayed there the whole night and if he 1401 01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:33,150 I don't know if you have the photo but I 1402 01:04:39,830 --> 01:04:35,940 have a picture of the the actual door 1403 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:39,840 door latch soapy up there yeah oh okay 1404 01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:43,890 okay I couldn't see it but yeah we had 1405 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:48,420 some bizarre sounds one woman swore she 1406 01:04:56,540 --> 01:04:51,690 heard a woman crying from the bedroom 1407 01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:56,550 where mrs. Borden had been killed it was 1408 01:05:01,960 --> 01:04:59,490 just it was just a bizarre night didn't 1409 01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:01,970 didn't get much in the way of sleep but 1410 01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:04,830 it's a fascinating place to go not only 1411 01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:07,140 for the paranormal activity everybody 1412 01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:10,830 wants to solve the crime right and I 1413 01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:13,110 think if you were in the house for five 1414 01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:13,680 minutes 1415 01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:16,590 you realize Lizzie had a hand in it some 1416 01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:18,840 way there is no way she in the made 1417 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:21,780 we're in this in this house while two 1418 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:23,730 people were getting ax murdered over the 1419 01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,650 course of an hour and a half and they 1420 01:05:30,019 --> 01:05:27,119 didn't hear a thing 1421 01:05:31,789 --> 01:05:30,029 that was her that was her mo she didn't 1422 01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:31,799 she said she didn't hear anything she 1423 01:05:37,759 --> 01:05:34,619 didn't hear a thing and that's 1424 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:37,769 impossible it's just like recent 1425 01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:43,170 politics um I know nothing Wow 1426 01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:45,299 no every time I say something like that 1427 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:46,920 I get bashed I'll take that back I 1428 01:05:55,339 --> 01:05:53,960 didn't say that no that's a WoW story so 1429 01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:55,349 Wow 1430 01:06:01,220 --> 01:05:58,890 that is a WoW all right I had no idea 1431 01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:01,230 that that mansion was haunted never 1432 01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:03,269 heard anything about it I actually had a 1433 01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,470 Hotel Leger that Lizzie signed in one 1434 01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:10,319 time and yeah that was really 1435 01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:13,220 interesting yeah 1436 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:18,329 so no I don't know if her you know I 1437 01:06:21,529 --> 01:06:19,650 don't know if she's talked about like 1438 01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:21,539 she was you know years ago you don't 1439 01:06:28,220 --> 01:06:25,079 hear her name come up too often not so 1440 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:28,230 much but it was the trial of the century 1441 01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:31,410 at the time it absolutely was and if 1442 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:34,049 anybody's interested in criminology it's 1443 01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,569 something to really look into and go to 1444 01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:38,640 the Fall River Historical Society 1445 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:40,980 because they have tons of artifacts on 1446 01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:43,650 the on the murder they even have the 1447 01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:47,670 stomach contents of how the Borden's you 1448 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:49,380 know so they knew what they ate that day 1449 01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:51,650 they have reproductions of the skulls 1450 01:06:59,720 --> 01:06:54,960 which is I mean this was something very 1451 01:07:02,059 --> 01:06:59,730 personal this was not some thief running 1452 01:07:04,279 --> 01:07:02,069 in and and you know committing him art 1453 01:07:07,489 --> 01:07:04,289 this was personal you don't hit somebody 1454 01:07:13,999 --> 01:07:07,499 in the face with an axe 11 times I think 1455 01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,009 once will do it won't it goodness Wow 1456 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:15,599 yeah I always thought that was such a 1457 01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:18,450 bizarre story was that the only like 1458 01:07:24,259 --> 01:07:21,089 murder type case that you looked into or 1459 01:07:28,819 --> 01:07:24,269 were there other oh no I get to all the 1460 01:07:32,269 --> 01:07:28,829 best murder sites there was a case in 1461 01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:32,279 Hawthorne New Jersey where in 1850 a 1462 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:35,460 judge and his wife were in their home 1463 01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:38,730 and someone he had convicted of a crime 1464 01:07:44,530 --> 01:07:40,980 who as he was being too 1465 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:44,540 taken away said I'll get you for this 1466 01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:48,210 climbed into the window with once again 1467 01:07:55,820 --> 01:07:53,580 a hatchet and a butcher knife and he was 1468 01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:55,830 gunning for the judge but that night the 1469 01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:57,960 judge didn't feel well so he went to bed 1470 01:08:04,550 --> 01:08:01,440 early and he took his wife's pot in bed 1471 01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:04,560 so when his wife came to bed she was in 1472 01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:08,430 his spot and so he swings the axe down 1473 01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:11,760 on her how would he know how would he 1474 01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:13,170 know which one it's a wife's pot which 1475 01:08:18,650 --> 01:08:17,310 one well he he was a caretaker for yeah 1476 01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:18,660 there's a lot more I'm trying to 1477 01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:21,089 condense the story yes that's good that 1478 01:08:26,059 --> 01:08:22,470 is a very good question he was a 1479 01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:26,069 caretaker there and knew them and he 1480 01:08:31,519 --> 01:08:28,950 actually really liked the the wife but 1481 01:08:35,660 --> 01:08:31,529 he killed her then attacked the judge 1482 01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:35,670 the judge starts screaming murder the 1483 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:38,100 servants run in the guy takes off he was 1484 01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:40,650 he was convicted he was caught and 1485 01:08:47,780 --> 01:08:45,239 convicted and hung but how long ago was 1486 01:08:52,900 --> 01:08:47,790 this 1850 oh wow 1487 01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:52,910 but they tried to rent out the house but 1488 01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:57,270 in 1880s the New York Times we're back 1489 01:09:01,670 --> 01:08:59,640 to the New York Times had a well 1490 01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:01,680 researched article and the New York 1491 01:09:07,570 --> 01:09:03,980 Times said no one would rent the house 1492 01:09:11,690 --> 01:09:07,580 because it was known to be the abode of 1493 01:09:13,940 --> 01:09:11,700 unearthly visitants I love that phrase 1494 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:13,950 the abode of unearthly visitants that's 1495 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:16,770 the New York wave times way of saying it 1496 01:09:27,170 --> 01:09:24,210 had ghosts so they open up the house 1497 01:09:30,979 --> 01:09:27,180 guess what they find out the crime scene 1498 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:30,989 was never cleaned up if you want to rent 1499 01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:33,810 a house you might want to clean up a 1500 01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:37,170 double axe murder so they finally 1501 01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:39,870 cleaned it all up 30 some odd years 1502 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:43,259 later and it became a private home again 1503 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:46,770 and people kept hearing all kinds of 1504 01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:50,489 noises I got in on it because the 1505 01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:54,030 current owner would suddenly 1506 01:10:00,140 --> 01:09:58,290 wake up in this panic and this happened 1507 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:00,150 a couple of times during the years he 1508 01:10:05,050 --> 01:10:02,850 was there he realized he found out it 1509 01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:05,060 was on the anniversary of the murder 1510 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:08,520 night that heat this would happen to him 1511 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:11,370 so me and my friend Mike worden who's an 1512 01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:15,890 actual cop went to investigate the 1513 01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:18,840 anniversary of the murder several years 1514 01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:22,140 ago so we're standing in the hatchet 1515 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:25,920 room murder room and it's about the time 1516 01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:29,130 of the murders and I swear to God we 1517 01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:31,860 suddenly hear this sound like a wheezing 1518 01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:35,340 sound and I said what we're like what is 1519 01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:39,420 that and it evolved into all I can 1520 01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:42,360 describe it as if you've ever heard 1521 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:44,750 somebody who flew it in their lungs and 1522 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:49,530 just a wheezing long exhale and then 1523 01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:52,890 silence it was like it was the death 1524 01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,190 breath it was the death breath and hear 1525 01:11:03,500 --> 01:10:58,620 me and this cop were just absolutely 1526 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:03,510 paralyzed we could not move got it on 1527 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:06,090 tape to the point where you hear 1528 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:08,910 something wheezing but not as clear as 1529 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:13,890 we actually heard it so those axe 1530 01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:17,370 murders boy there now would you say you 1531 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:21,060 have it on tape did you it was like so 1532 01:11:25,730 --> 01:11:23,610 the second time you is when you thought 1533 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:25,740 to turn on the recorder is that no I 1534 01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,290 always have a recorder on when I'm at a 1535 01:11:33,980 --> 01:11:31,440 location so I had it on and you can hear 1536 01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:33,990 us saying did you hear what is that and 1537 01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:38,400 then you hear something like we heard it 1538 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:40,590 a lot more clearly but there is 1539 01:11:45,860 --> 01:11:43,650 definitely something on tape I would 1540 01:11:48,230 --> 01:11:45,870 love to have like a professional take my 1541 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:48,240 tapes and clean them up and you know 1542 01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:52,050 amplify them if you can still do that 1543 01:11:57,650 --> 01:11:53,880 with old digit you know with old 1544 01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,660 cassette tapes and things now one 1545 01:12:02,420 --> 01:11:58,980 question I have for you because this 1546 01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:02,430 came up in one of the people that with 1547 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:04,710 one of the people I interviewed how 1548 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:07,050 about cases were it's actually the 1549 01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:07,650 person 1550 01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:11,190 that's being like followed do you have 1551 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:15,150 any cases like that yes many people they 1552 01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:17,370 said I don't understand it every single 1553 01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:20,699 place I live seems to be haunted and I 1554 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:24,719 remember very early on someone told me a 1555 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:28,170 ghost can attach to a person a place or 1556 01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:31,290 a thing and I've heard a lot of haunted 1557 01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:33,659 act--he antique stories in fact I give a 1558 01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:38,699 lecture on haunted antiques and people 1559 01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:41,670 who seemed to be very sensitive I have a 1560 01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:43,860 friend barber who's a psychic and she 1561 01:12:48,979 --> 01:12:46,350 said people who are sensitive are like a 1562 01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:48,989 lighthouse in the darkness to spirits 1563 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:51,960 and I thought that's a great that's a 1564 01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:52,890 great analogy 1565 01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:56,159 and for some reason things can just 1566 01:13:02,209 --> 01:12:59,610 attach themselves to people there was a 1567 01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:02,219 case where one woman I I think she kind 1568 01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:07,380 of brought it on herself her family was 1569 01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:10,620 part of the Irish Republican Army and 1570 01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:14,340 she felt a lot of guilt from their 1571 01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:17,880 bombings I guess and she felt that the 1572 01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:20,460 spirits were following her because 1573 01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:23,460 everywhere she went there were these 1574 01:13:31,729 --> 01:13:29,310 very nasty negative hauntings and it 1575 01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:31,739 wasn't just her imagination family 1576 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:34,560 members friends you know we're all able 1577 01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:39,090 to confirm it so I you know I don't know 1578 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:42,390 what you do go see your clergyman do 1579 01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:46,610 whatever but yes there are cases where 1580 01:13:52,459 --> 01:13:49,320 something just keeps following a person 1581 01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:52,469 or multiple things follow them well I 1582 01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:54,780 know we got a number of other stories to 1583 01:13:58,939 --> 01:13:56,760 tell I mean I'm really I'm really having 1584 01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:58,949 a good time but I'd like to I'd like to 1585 01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:01,260 offer people if they would like to call 1586 01:14:07,459 --> 01:14:04,260 in to the show and ask you a question if 1587 01:14:10,340 --> 01:14:07,469 that's all right with you sure sure okay 1588 01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:10,350 and this is the live number only and the 1589 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:11,550 reason I have to say that is because 1590 01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:13,770 when this show plays on the Dark Matter 1591 01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:16,500 digital network I get calls during 1592 01:14:20,809 --> 01:14:19,679 Lala's playing so actually we have a big 1593 01:14:23,389 --> 01:14:20,819 audience on that 1594 01:14:26,599 --> 01:14:23,399 on Thursday so if you'd like to call in 1595 01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:26,609 that number is six oh three nine six 1596 01:14:30,949 --> 01:14:29,219 seven four oh three oh and if you're 1597 01:14:33,919 --> 01:14:30,959 calling from another country just put a 1598 01:14:36,219 --> 01:14:33,929 1 in front of that six oh three nine six 1599 01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:36,229 seven four OH three oh if you have a 1600 01:14:44,089 --> 01:14:40,369 question for our guest this evening so 1601 01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:44,099 well let's talk about some other cases 1602 01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:45,659 that you would like to talk about that 1603 01:14:50,959 --> 01:14:48,089 you found very interesting sure one of 1604 01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,969 my scariest I sent you the the two 1605 01:14:55,099 --> 01:14:53,280 pomona pictures there's a photo of a 1606 01:14:58,159 --> 01:14:55,109 living room and then there's a photo of 1607 01:15:00,859 --> 01:14:58,169 something in the dark this was a case 1608 01:15:04,699 --> 01:15:00,869 where a woman contacted me they were 1609 01:15:06,639 --> 01:15:04,709 renting a house it was a 1960s modern 1610 01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:06,649 style house didn't look particularly 1611 01:15:14,329 --> 01:15:11,280 spooky but they were hearing pounding 1612 01:15:16,579 --> 01:15:14,339 footsteps objects would come off of 1613 01:15:20,059 --> 01:15:16,589 shelves and smash I mean real like 1614 01:15:21,739 --> 01:15:20,069 poltergeist type of activity and the 1615 01:15:23,839 --> 01:15:21,749 worst part they would wake up in the 1616 01:15:26,899 --> 01:15:23,849 middle of the night and something some 1617 01:15:30,589 --> 01:15:26,909 dark solid figure would be leaning over 1618 01:15:32,569 --> 01:15:30,599 looking down at the wall so that was it 1619 01:15:34,459 --> 01:15:32,579 they were moving as soon as they could 1620 01:15:36,289 --> 01:15:34,469 they were packing to go and they said 1621 01:15:39,469 --> 01:15:36,299 we're leaving in you know a couple of 1622 01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:39,479 weeks if you want to come by I think 1623 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:42,719 next night I was I was there and that's 1624 01:15:47,539 --> 01:15:45,329 one of those places you walk in the door 1625 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:47,549 and you're like oh my god what have I 1626 01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:50,249 gotten myself into I mean just felt 1627 01:15:58,309 --> 01:15:56,489 really negative very intimidating and we 1628 01:16:00,589 --> 01:15:58,319 would be upstairs and we'd hear pounding 1629 01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:00,599 down stairs we'd go downstairs and it 1630 01:16:04,549 --> 01:16:02,219 would be pounding upstairs it just 1631 01:16:07,489 --> 01:16:04,559 seemed to like to play games with you 1632 01:16:11,179 --> 01:16:07,499 and it was the end of the night and I'm 1633 01:16:14,299 --> 01:16:11,189 packing up my gear and I suddenly I'm in 1634 01:16:16,129 --> 01:16:14,309 the this living room in the dark and 1635 01:16:18,469 --> 01:16:16,139 there's a very faint light coming 1636 01:16:22,549 --> 01:16:18,479 through the curtain and I see something 1637 01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:22,559 moving from right to left so I say to 1638 01:16:26,569 --> 01:16:24,449 the woman who was renting it who was 1639 01:16:28,699 --> 01:16:26,579 behind me I said you know you have a 1640 01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:28,709 streetlight maybe a truck just went by 1641 01:16:32,329 --> 01:16:30,510 she goes no we're over a hundred feet 1642 01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,339 from the road there is no streetlight 1643 01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:34,560 she said the only way for something to 1644 01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:36,300 lock that light which was on the side of 1645 01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:39,300 the house is if it was in the room with 1646 01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:42,420 you like oh great so I grabbed my 1647 01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:44,310 infrared camera and started taking 1648 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:46,380 pictures and I couldn't see you know you 1649 01:16:50,810 --> 01:16:48,090 can't see anything in the dark on those 1650 01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:50,820 little screens so it was until I got 1651 01:16:58,670 --> 01:16:54,480 home and put it on my computer that I 1652 01:17:00,320 --> 01:16:58,680 see that dark figure in that photo I 1653 01:17:04,340 --> 01:17:00,330 sent you I don't know if you have that 1654 01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:04,350 up he's switching through a different 1655 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:08,070 couple of different photos but so you 1656 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:10,050 there was an actually dark figure in 1657 01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,330 that room you actually saw that and took 1658 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:15,360 pictures I saw her it is Linda we have a 1659 01:17:20,230 --> 01:17:16,890 call coming in are you ready for at all 1660 01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:20,240 sure okay and we'll get back to that 1661 01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:24,660 hang on just a second okay caller you 1662 01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:27,420 are on the line please give your first 1663 01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:32,040 name and where you're calling from if I 1664 01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:33,900 this is a philip Gillenwater calling 1665 01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:36,960 from Redondo Beach California hi Phillip 1666 01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,230 welcome to the show well thank you for 1667 01:17:45,230 --> 01:17:42,600 having me I just had a quick question 1668 01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:45,240 regarding something that Whitley 1669 01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:48,390 streamer has mentioned a few times and I 1670 01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:50,100 wanted to get Linda's take on it with 1671 01:17:57,890 --> 01:17:54,800 the claimers a correlation between 1672 01:18:00,440 --> 01:17:57,900 paranormal activity and what he has 1673 01:18:02,210 --> 01:18:00,450 termed the visitors or ETS and I just 1674 01:18:05,780 --> 01:18:02,220 wanted to see if she could comment on 1675 01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:05,790 that yes I'm glad you brought that up 1676 01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:08,250 people were initially saying while it's 1677 01:18:13,460 --> 01:18:10,860 all related and and to be honest when I 1678 01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:13,470 first started researching UFOs I didn't 1679 01:18:19,940 --> 01:18:16,980 see a relation now I do I don't know 1680 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:19,950 what that is but places like Pine Bush 1681 01:18:29,710 --> 01:18:25,050 which have intense UFO activity for 1682 01:18:33,740 --> 01:18:29,720 decades is also intensely haunted and 1683 01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:33,750 the same people who are experiencing the 1684 01:18:40,490 --> 01:18:35,970 haunting living in a haunting haunted 1685 01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:40,500 house are also experiencing the the 1686 01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:45,510 contact or just sightings and I've found 1687 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:47,800 this time and time again 1688 01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:51,070 that I don't know what it is but this 1689 01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,190 the two types of activity happening in 1690 01:19:01,919 --> 01:18:57,360 the same locations to the same people so 1691 01:19:06,419 --> 01:19:01,929 I agree with with Whitley Strieber but I 1692 01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:06,429 don't have an answer thank you thanks 1693 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,420 thanks for calling in Phil all right so 1694 01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:12,880 yeah interesting I don't know if you've 1695 01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:16,540 ever heard Paul Eno's take he's been on 1696 01:19:20,819 --> 01:19:19,329 the show a couple of times you know he 1697 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:20,829 thinks everything is connected like that 1698 01:19:28,410 --> 01:19:23,770 as well and but he's thinking it's more 1699 01:19:33,859 --> 01:19:28,420 like where they call brains you know 1700 01:19:36,330 --> 01:19:33,869 like membranes the ultra dimensional 1701 01:19:40,049 --> 01:19:36,340 interdimensional like some type of 1702 01:19:44,399 --> 01:19:40,059 connection there I don't know what it is 1703 01:19:47,959 --> 01:19:44,409 yeah but the the veil of normalcy is 1704 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:47,969 very thin in these locations for sure 1705 01:19:53,459 --> 01:19:50,770 well-put did you have more to continue 1706 01:19:56,370 --> 01:19:53,469 on about that story or yours well no I'm 1707 01:20:00,120 --> 01:19:56,380 just that that photo of that dark figure 1708 01:20:04,919 --> 01:20:00,130 is certainly one that I I could not 1709 01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:04,929 explain and as I said I saw it myself 1710 01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:08,230 and to be able to capture it on on film 1711 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:10,750 like that that was that was just a bad 1712 01:20:16,109 --> 01:20:14,110 bad haunting and the turns out we did 1713 01:20:16,620 --> 01:20:16,119 did some research into the man who owned 1714 01:20:19,229 --> 01:20:16,630 the place 1715 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:19,239 and let's just say he used to like to 1716 01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:23,770 experiment on women and I always say 1717 01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:26,170 death does not improve one's personality 1718 01:20:33,629 --> 01:20:30,480 and he is still trying to victimize 1719 01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:33,639 particularly women there now this figure 1720 01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:35,320 that the pictures up there now and 1721 01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:39,190 YouTube this figure you saw did it 1722 01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:40,929 actually move or was it just a 1723 01:20:46,319 --> 01:20:44,110 stationary what I saw I didn't see it as 1724 01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:46,329 a figure I just saw something solid 1725 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:48,670 blocking the light coming through those 1726 01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,210 curtains 1727 01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:51,520 I saw it remove the length of the 1728 01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:54,820 curtains and go off to the left there 1729 01:21:01,530 --> 01:20:58,090 and at that point you know I got my 1730 01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,540 camera and started taking photos so 1731 01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:04,000 I didn't see it as that kind of hunched 1732 01:21:11,610 --> 01:21:08,740 over figure I probably would have run if 1733 01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:11,620 I knew if I knew what I was in the room 1734 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:15,910 with there so that's probably my best 1735 01:21:21,570 --> 01:21:19,330 photo in in 20 years of doing this 1736 01:21:24,030 --> 01:21:21,580 because it's it's nothing you know a lot 1737 01:21:26,850 --> 01:21:24,040 of the times maybe it's a reflection or 1738 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:26,860 maybe it's this or some anomaly with the 1739 01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:29,530 lens there's nothing I know that I can 1740 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:33,070 explain that figure and the other 1741 01:21:36,690 --> 01:21:35,170 picture I had showed was what the living 1742 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:36,700 room looks like so there's not a coat 1743 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:39,330 rack there or you know a hanging plant 1744 01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:45,370 or anything like that and let's talk 1745 01:21:50,430 --> 01:21:48,220 about some other things that you've 1746 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:50,440 actually witnessed similar have you ever 1747 01:21:57,390 --> 01:21:54,010 actually ever had a poltergeist type of 1748 01:22:00,150 --> 01:21:57,400 situation that you witnessed that I 1749 01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:00,160 personally witnessed I have never seen 1750 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:03,460 anything flying across the room or 1751 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:04,210 anything 1752 01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:09,370 door slamming banging for sure there was 1753 01:22:15,780 --> 01:22:13,090 a case at actually Mike's grandmother's 1754 01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:15,790 house that has and that's how he got 1755 01:22:22,140 --> 01:22:18,700 interested in in ghosts because his 1756 01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:22,150 grandparents house was was haunted and I 1757 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:24,790 was I was upstairs and it was one of 1758 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:26,920 these older homes with heavy plaster 1759 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:30,850 walls and I thought I heard some 1760 01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:36,690 knocking in the wall so I put my hand on 1761 01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:40,990 the wall and I you know am I feeling 1762 01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:44,110 something so I knock really loud on you 1763 01:22:49,170 --> 01:22:45,670 know it's hard to knock on play hard 1764 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:49,180 walls like I knock three times put my 1765 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:51,850 hand on it something knocks three times 1766 01:22:59,490 --> 01:22:55,810 right under my hand I heard it I felt 1767 01:23:03,600 --> 01:22:59,500 the reverberation under my hand and I I 1768 01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:03,610 was startled I jumped back like what and 1769 01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:05,470 I was like well I have to try this again 1770 01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:08,110 so I step forward and this time I 1771 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:11,020 knocked twice in at night knocked twice 1772 01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:15,250 back so when you get personal 1773 01:23:20,670 --> 01:23:18,820 response like that that just brings your 1774 01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:20,680 ghost investigation to an entirely 1775 01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:23,320 different level it's one thing to see 1776 01:23:27,330 --> 01:23:25,270 you know a light flicker or something 1777 01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:27,340 like that but when you're getting a 1778 01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:31,360 response that's just amazing it's 1779 01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:33,790 breathtaking yeah that would be that'd 1780 01:23:40,650 --> 01:23:36,190 be another time that I would vacate the 1781 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:40,660 place immediately and I don't I don't I 1782 01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,730 I don't know how people stay in a house 1783 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:44,800 when there's something going on you know 1784 01:23:50,130 --> 01:23:47,290 I just couldn't do that I don't care how 1785 01:23:53,459 --> 01:23:50,140 wonderful I thought the house was you 1786 01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:53,469 know I'd have to go yeah well if you 1787 01:23:59,070 --> 01:23:56,050 knew Mike's grandmother she's uh she's a 1788 01:24:01,380 --> 01:23:59,080 90 year old fireball and she just yells 1789 01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:01,390 at them you know shut up I'm trying to 1790 01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:04,630 get to sleep and so nothing's driving 1791 01:24:12,510 --> 01:24:06,910 this this woman out of her home for sure 1792 01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:12,520 she's wonderful Wow amazing and what 1793 01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:14,260 about some other cases why don't you go 1794 01:24:17,970 --> 01:24:16,900 into a know you sent us some pictures so 1795 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:17,980 why don't you go into some of the other 1796 01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:20,530 cases that you've investigated okay well 1797 01:24:26,610 --> 01:24:23,920 there's a few of the Patchett house that 1798 01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:26,620 I sent you there's one with me sitting 1799 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:28,660 on the floor looking like I have alien 1800 01:24:32,340 --> 01:24:30,370 eyes there that's a picture for me and 1801 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:32,350 infrared this was a house that was 1802 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:35,530 started as an inn in 1827 in Montgomery 1803 01:24:43,890 --> 01:24:39,130 New York it was a private home it was a 1804 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:43,900 funeral home for a while it was a number 1805 01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:46,510 of different things and it's now an art 1806 01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:51,670 school and they see a woman walking 1807 01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:54,430 around in fact when the when the house 1808 01:24:59,760 --> 01:24:57,760 was boarded up and vacant one of the 1809 01:25:02,729 --> 01:24:59,770 Patchett descendants who's a real brain 1810 01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:02,739 surgeon was driving by and he saw his 1811 01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:05,520 aunt Emma in the window waving at him 1812 01:25:10,770 --> 01:25:09,340 she had been dead for decades but that's 1813 01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:10,780 the type of thing they see you know 1814 01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:13,630 nothing terribly threatening but then 1815 01:25:17,420 --> 01:25:15,190 there can be some threatening things you 1816 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:17,430 never know when you dig deep enough so 1817 01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:21,010 we went there to investigate Mike my 1818 01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:24,060 friend Barbara the psychic and I and 1819 01:25:28,510 --> 01:25:26,980 sitting on the floor with my EMF meter 1820 01:25:31,210 --> 01:25:28,520 which is an electromagnetic 1821 01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:31,220 field meter and we're hearing these 1822 01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:33,640 noises coming down from the basement and 1823 01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:36,110 when Mike took this picture of me you 1824 01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:38,750 can see my EMF meter's all lit up 1825 01:25:44,710 --> 01:25:41,470 because something was going on and 1826 01:25:46,750 --> 01:25:44,720 shortly after that we heard the loudest 1827 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:46,760 sound I've ever heard on an 1828 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:49,370 investigation we were on the second 1829 01:25:52,180 --> 01:25:51,290 floor and it sounded like someone on the 1830 01:25:54,940 --> 01:25:52,190 first floor 1831 01:25:59,710 --> 01:25:54,950 picked up a couch and threw it across 1832 01:26:03,940 --> 01:25:59,720 the room it was unbelievable 1833 01:26:06,190 --> 01:26:03,950 gasped and I jump up and and go to run 1834 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:06,200 downstairs and Mike stops me and he's 1835 01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:07,850 got his hand on his gun because he 1836 01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:09,890 thinks somebody actually broke in he 1837 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:13,280 says nope let me go first like yes it's 1838 01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:16,970 a police officer yes very good having a 1839 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:21,410 cop on a ghost investigation so he goes 1840 01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,570 down we check every door and window is 1841 01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,880 locked 1842 01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,920 not a thing is out of place we don't 1843 01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:30,560 find anything on the floor nothing has 1844 01:26:37,390 --> 01:26:34,220 been touched so at the time of this 1845 01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:37,400 incredible banging sound Mike had a 1846 01:26:43,630 --> 01:26:40,100 trail camera set up in the basement next 1847 01:26:46,780 --> 01:26:43,640 to the old embalming sinks and when he 1848 01:26:48,730 --> 01:26:46,790 later went over the footage he found 1849 01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:48,740 that are you familiar with the trail 1850 01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:50,630 cameras something has to pass in front 1851 01:26:55,150 --> 01:26:52,580 of it to set it off and it takes a 1852 01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:55,160 series of photos well something about 1853 01:27:03,100 --> 01:26:59,840 that time set off the camera and then it 1854 01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:03,110 grabbed the camera I have a series of a 1855 01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:05,960 couple of photos something black grabbed 1856 01:27:13,630 --> 01:27:11,270 the camera and shook it and we tested 1857 01:27:15,850 --> 01:27:13,640 what happens if you put your hand on a 1858 01:27:20,590 --> 01:27:15,860 camera well your fingers look bright 1859 01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:20,600 white you can see the fingerprints most 1860 01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:23,510 things look very very white in infrared 1861 01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:26,270 whatever this was did not reflect 1862 01:27:31,870 --> 01:27:29,630 infrared it was solid black it wasn't a 1863 01:27:34,210 --> 01:27:31,880 moth or some it was something strong 1864 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:34,220 enough to shake this big camera on a 1865 01:27:40,090 --> 01:27:37,850 tripod what about black gloves would 1866 01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:40,100 that still tried that we tried that as 1867 01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:41,360 well 1868 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:44,140 black leather gloves black cloth gloves 1869 01:27:51,940 --> 01:27:47,930 black clothing tends to most clothing 1870 01:27:55,180 --> 01:27:51,950 reflects very brightly in infrared we 1871 01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:55,190 could and even if it was we could 1872 01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:57,080 reproduce it with black gloves the house 1873 01:28:03,640 --> 01:27:59,090 was locked up tight and we were the only 1874 01:28:05,980 --> 01:28:03,650 people in the house so something next to 1875 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:05,990 the embalming sinks was grabbing the 1876 01:28:11,670 --> 01:28:08,690 camera as that enormous pounding sound 1877 01:28:14,530 --> 01:28:11,680 was reverberating through the house so 1878 01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:14,540 when you're in an old funeral home and 1879 01:28:23,620 --> 01:28:18,470 these things are happening Wow I'll say 1880 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:23,630 it Wow now in this particular situation 1881 01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:27,890 did were the people calling you about 1882 01:28:32,740 --> 01:28:30,140 this or it looks like an old abandoned 1883 01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:32,750 place is it is it just the downstairs 1884 01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:39,710 that well it's an art gallery in an art 1885 01:28:45,850 --> 01:28:43,190 school so it's not set up like a home so 1886 01:28:48,460 --> 01:28:45,860 most of the rooms are open space so they 1887 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:48,470 can set up easels and and things like 1888 01:28:55,090 --> 01:28:52,370 that but yes they had called they had 1889 01:28:58,660 --> 01:28:55,100 called us and we've done several 1890 01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,670 subsequent investigations there but it 1891 01:29:05,170 --> 01:29:01,520 seemed that every time we'd investigate 1892 01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:05,180 the next day bad things would happen 1893 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:07,490 the electrical system would break down 1894 01:29:15,220 --> 01:29:13,010 pipes would burst and they the woman 1895 01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:15,230 she's sweet woman she finally said no 1896 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:17,270 more I can't I can't have you here 1897 01:29:24,460 --> 01:29:20,570 anymore because it's upsetting what 1898 01:29:27,130 --> 01:29:24,470 whatever is here so we kind of stirred 1899 01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:27,140 things up not intentionally but you know 1900 01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:31,280 I can't blame her for not wanting to be 1901 01:29:37,210 --> 01:29:34,550 back yeah absolutely 1902 01:29:39,190 --> 01:29:37,220 now did she happen to keep in touch with 1903 01:29:44,020 --> 01:29:39,200 you after that and say that things calm 1904 01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:44,030 down I haven't I have not heard since 1905 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:46,670 the last time I was there so I'm hoping 1906 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:49,850 no news is good news and things would be 1907 01:29:55,090 --> 01:29:52,970 fairly calm unless someone was 1908 01:29:58,750 --> 01:29:55,100 particularly looking for that 1909 01:30:01,540 --> 01:29:58,760 activity but it was just bizarre things 1910 01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:01,550 like soon after they opened she's 1911 01:30:05,860 --> 01:30:04,070 teaching a class and there's a phone 1912 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:05,870 ringing the old-style phone that 1913 01:30:11,410 --> 01:30:09,410 actually had a real Bell uh-huh and one 1914 01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:11,420 of the students finally said are you 1915 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:14,000 going to please answer that phone and 1916 01:30:19,660 --> 01:30:16,850 she responded I would if we could find 1917 01:30:21,670 --> 01:30:19,670 it there was no phone in the house that 1918 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:21,680 had a real Bell they could never find 1919 01:30:28,780 --> 01:30:25,490 where this phone was that was ringing so 1920 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:28,790 just just remarkable things like that 1921 01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:32,570 they're great now in the title of the 1922 01:30:37,690 --> 01:30:35,150 show I know you mentioned graveyards and 1923 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:37,700 asylums so you want to tackle one of 1924 01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:42,650 those yes probably my worst personal 1925 01:30:49,150 --> 01:30:45,470 experience was at rolling hills asylum 1926 01:30:51,970 --> 01:30:49,160 which is in Bethany New York kind of its 1927 01:30:57,490 --> 01:30:51,980 western New York towards Rochester area 1928 01:31:00,880 --> 01:30:57,500 and it was tuberculosis asylum the 1929 01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:00,890 criminally insane unwed mothers poor 1930 01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:05,120 people basically everybody you know was 1931 01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:08,290 just jammed into this massive building 1932 01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:13,760 65,000 square feet of of Hell so Mike 1933 01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:16,370 and I went up there to investigate 1934 01:31:22,660 --> 01:31:19,910 couple of times and you know there's the 1935 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:22,670 electroshock room and there's the morgue 1936 01:31:29,260 --> 01:31:25,730 and there's the detention rooms and the 1937 01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:29,270 majority of the rooms had chains still 1938 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:30,950 on the walls from when they used to 1939 01:31:36,910 --> 01:31:34,730 chain up the unruly people I mean just 1940 01:31:39,670 --> 01:31:36,920 you can just imagine you know you had 1941 01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:39,680 sex offenders in there with orphans I 1942 01:31:43,170 --> 01:31:42,050 mean the horrors that had to have gone 1943 01:31:46,510 --> 01:31:43,180 on in this place 1944 01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:46,520 so we were hearing a lot of noises and 1945 01:31:54,150 --> 01:31:49,910 strange things and you know you I was on 1946 01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:54,160 alert but I wasn't I wasn't scared and 1947 01:32:01,840 --> 01:31:57,770 we went into the second floor East Wing 1948 01:32:04,990 --> 01:32:01,850 and I was with Mike and his brother 1949 01:32:08,410 --> 01:32:05,000 Scott and we were walking down this 1950 01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:08,420 corridor and I didn't realize I had it's 1951 01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:10,130 you know pitch black I had gotten about 1952 01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:13,310 10 or 15 feet ahead of them so I was 1953 01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:16,880 alone out in front and it was nothing I 1954 01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:19,910 saw but it was the worst feeling of my 1955 01:32:28,270 --> 01:32:24,110 life it felt like a male presence rushed 1956 01:32:31,180 --> 01:32:28,280 out of this room and just it was a 1957 01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:31,190 violating feeling I just felt I was 1958 01:32:37,330 --> 01:32:34,990 being attacked because I was a woman and 1959 01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:37,340 again it took my breath away 1960 01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:40,490 I got I had to get out of there and it 1961 01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:42,800 just it just felt often actually felt 1962 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:45,110 like more than one man I just had to get 1963 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:46,970 out of there and thank God as soon as I 1964 01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:49,370 got through the big heavy metal doors 1965 01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:52,310 the feeling stopped and I even said out 1966 01:32:58,450 --> 01:32:56,060 loud they can't get me out here so the 1967 01:33:01,300 --> 01:32:58,460 owner of the property I saw her later on 1968 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:01,310 that night and I didn't I didn't want to 1969 01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:03,530 say you never say do people experience 1970 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:07,280 but you know ABC I just said what do 1971 01:33:11,710 --> 01:33:09,290 people experience in the second floor 1972 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:11,720 East Wing and she rolled her eyes she 1973 01:33:18,190 --> 01:33:15,050 said oh that place she said there are 1974 01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:18,200 two very angry male spirits who hate 1975 01:33:26,110 --> 01:33:21,110 women and women are always having 1976 01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:26,120 problems they're crazy and so we left 1977 01:33:32,650 --> 01:33:30,470 that night and for months that was 1978 01:33:35,290 --> 01:33:32,660 bothering me because that was the one 1979 01:33:38,980 --> 01:33:35,300 and only time something got to me and it 1980 01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:38,990 got to me bad and I had to go back so 1981 01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:41,810 months later we drive the seven hours 1982 01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:44,510 back up there I go walking into that 1983 01:33:49,330 --> 01:33:46,910 second floor East and I said I'm back 1984 01:33:51,730 --> 01:33:49,340 and I know all about you and you're not 1985 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:51,740 pulling that again and I it didn't 1986 01:33:56,830 --> 01:33:54,050 happen to me again and on a personal 1987 01:34:00,190 --> 01:33:56,840 level I felt so much better I was not 1988 01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:00,200 letting these sons of you know get away 1989 01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:02,930 with this stuff did you do hashtag me 1990 01:34:17,980 --> 01:34:13,880 too that is that's a crazy experience 1991 01:34:20,350 --> 01:34:17,990 yeah so and so after you went back you 1992 01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:20,360 felt better it sounds like I absolutely 1993 01:34:26,290 --> 01:34:22,369 did I felt 1994 01:34:28,449 --> 01:34:26,300 I just couldn't let them get away with 1995 01:34:30,459 --> 01:34:28,459 that and you know I had to let you know 1996 01:34:33,850 --> 01:34:30,469 it sounds crazy but I had to let them 1997 01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:33,860 know that I was not one of their victims 1998 01:34:42,129 --> 01:34:39,110 and that was important to me and you 1999 01:34:44,679 --> 01:34:42,139 know so I hope people who you can you 2000 01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:44,689 can go there and do ghost hunts all the 2001 01:34:50,889 --> 01:34:47,510 time now I just hope they they kind of 2002 01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:50,899 forewarn people especially women you 2003 01:34:53,859 --> 01:34:52,550 know it's a good point that you know 2004 01:34:55,779 --> 01:34:53,869 everybody thinks all this is a great 2005 01:34:58,209 --> 01:34:55,789 it's a party atmosphere we're going on a 2006 01:35:01,359 --> 01:34:58,219 group ghost hunt and I see they're even 2007 01:35:03,369 --> 01:35:01,369 having costume night everybody dress up 2008 01:35:06,609 --> 01:35:03,379 in a whacky costume and go on a ghost 2009 01:35:08,739 --> 01:35:06,619 hunt this is serious stuff and these are 2010 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:08,749 the if you believe in this these are the 2011 01:35:14,139 --> 01:35:11,570 spirits of very disturbed people 2012 01:35:16,959 --> 01:35:14,149 sometimes and there's consequences to 2013 01:35:18,699 --> 01:35:16,969 doing this you don't I don't come home 2014 01:35:21,790 --> 01:35:18,709 and get a good night's sleep a lot of 2015 01:35:24,129 --> 01:35:21,800 times from this it can affect especially 2016 01:35:26,799 --> 01:35:24,139 you're dealing with so many cases of 2017 01:35:29,979 --> 01:35:26,809 suicides and tragedies and things 2018 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:29,989 involving children and you can't have 2019 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:32,570 you can't have a heart and do this and 2020 01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:35,689 and be callous about it it gets to you 2021 01:35:43,209 --> 01:35:40,129 so yeah some of these cases it takes 2022 01:35:45,939 --> 01:35:43,219 days to recover like I can understand 2023 01:35:49,029 --> 01:35:45,949 that huh why do you think things linger 2024 01:35:50,979 --> 01:35:49,039 in a certain like I've heard that like a 2025 01:35:53,139 --> 01:35:50,989 building is torn down a new building 2026 01:35:56,409 --> 01:35:53,149 built and it there's still something 2027 01:35:58,689 --> 01:35:56,419 there how does that how can an energy 2028 01:36:01,359 --> 01:35:58,699 linger in a place like that I have a 2029 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:01,369 perfect example of that I think people 2030 01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:04,610 are hooked by a tragedy some something 2031 01:36:13,239 --> 01:36:09,169 unfulfilled some regret there was a have 2032 01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:13,249 you heard of Contadina tomato sauce huh 2033 01:36:18,669 --> 01:36:15,590 the Contadina factory started in the 2034 01:36:20,859 --> 01:36:18,679 Hudson Valley and there was a boiler 2035 01:36:23,049 --> 01:36:20,869 explosion in the early 1900s in the 2036 01:36:26,350 --> 01:36:23,059 owner was horribly scalded and killed 2037 01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:26,360 and the the factory was abandoned but 2038 01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,209 for years people saw his figure walking 2039 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:31,280 around the factory well I went and 2040 01:36:35,419 --> 01:36:33,530 investigated actually with a cop who 2041 01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:35,429 brought me there 2042 01:36:40,879 --> 01:36:38,250 we investigated the the empty you know 2043 01:36:43,970 --> 01:36:40,889 shambles of a building well several 2044 01:36:46,399 --> 01:36:43,980 years later I heard they demolished the 2045 01:36:47,209 --> 01:36:46,409 factory and built a couple of new homes 2046 01:36:49,459 --> 01:36:47,219 on it 2047 01:36:51,379 --> 01:36:49,469 and I said well isn't that interesting I 2048 01:36:54,919 --> 01:36:51,389 wonder if it will inherit anything in 2049 01:36:56,959 --> 01:36:54,929 one night I get a call and this woman 2050 01:37:00,109 --> 01:36:56,969 says you know I don't understand we have 2051 01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:00,119 a brand new home and we're seeing this 2052 01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:03,300 man walking around our house and she 2053 01:37:08,419 --> 01:37:05,400 told me the town they were in in the 2054 01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:08,429 general area and I said was your house 2055 01:37:13,700 --> 01:37:11,400 built on a former tomato sauce Factory 2056 01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:13,710 she says you're amazing you're so 2057 01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:16,110 psychic how did you how did you ever 2058 01:37:22,850 --> 01:37:20,130 know and I said no I'm not psychic I 2059 01:37:25,490 --> 01:37:22,860 said I was they're investigating you 2060 01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:25,500 know your your property when it was 2061 01:37:30,260 --> 01:37:27,510 still the tomato sauce factory and so I 2062 01:37:33,859 --> 01:37:30,270 told her what what you know had happened 2063 01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:33,869 and so I said you're not gonna move are 2064 01:37:38,839 --> 01:37:36,540 you she's well now I understand it she 2065 01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:38,849 so she was so you know she knew he 2066 01:37:46,069 --> 01:37:42,420 wasn't anything threatening it was just 2067 01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:46,079 a tragic death and you know when you're 2068 01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:50,340 killed like that in an instant like the 2069 01:37:54,919 --> 01:37:52,860 judge's wife one minute she's sound 2070 01:37:57,709 --> 01:37:54,929 asleep the next and axe is falling into 2071 01:38:00,530 --> 01:37:57,719 her face she she's the one who's 2072 01:38:03,589 --> 01:38:00,540 haunting the place because she had no 2073 01:38:05,930 --> 01:38:03,599 idea what happened and psychics have 2074 01:38:07,819 --> 01:38:05,940 since been to the house and they'll say 2075 01:38:11,330 --> 01:38:07,829 there's a confused woman here she 2076 01:38:14,089 --> 01:38:11,340 doesn't know what happened to her so I 2077 01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:14,099 think that's part of the reason people 2078 01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:16,290 remain there trying to figure out you 2079 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:19,320 know what just happened we had a 2080 01:38:22,910 --> 01:38:21,210 question come into the chat room quite a 2081 01:38:24,410 --> 01:38:22,920 while ago actually someone wanted to 2082 01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:24,420 know had you ever looked into the 2083 01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:27,000 Amityville case I know that was not 2084 01:38:32,540 --> 01:38:29,340 really that far away from you was it no 2085 01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:32,550 it wasn't terribly far but no I did not 2086 01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:34,860 have any personal experience with that 2087 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:39,900 case we had our own very popular case in 2088 01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,810 Nyack New York where a couple went to 2089 01:38:47,180 --> 01:38:44,880 buy a house they put a downpayment on 2090 01:38:48,910 --> 01:38:47,190 and then the owner told them it was 2091 01:38:50,979 --> 01:38:48,920 haunted and they tried to back 2092 01:38:53,919 --> 01:38:50,989 out of the deal and it went all the way 2093 01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:53,929 to the New York State Supreme Court who 2094 01:38:59,010 --> 01:38:56,390 as a matter of law found the house 2095 01:39:02,110 --> 01:38:59,020 haunted that was the first legal 2096 01:39:04,419 --> 01:39:02,120 haunting and that sent repercussions 2097 01:39:06,220 --> 01:39:04,429 around the world because could anybody 2098 01:39:09,130 --> 01:39:06,230 back out of a deal now because they 2099 01:39:12,610 --> 01:39:09,140 thought a place was haunted so you might 2100 01:39:16,780 --> 01:39:12,620 know for your area do realtor's have to 2101 01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:16,790 disclose there you go my friend in the 2102 01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:21,199 real estate business and he told me I 2103 01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,110 can't remember exactly the situation but 2104 01:39:28,860 --> 01:39:26,719 he said that he had to pass on it no he 2105 01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:28,870 had to disclose that there was a 2106 01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:32,719 haunting and that is all the result of 2107 01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:36,530 that Nayak case that I did look into 2108 01:39:43,390 --> 01:39:40,610 I've spoken to several some owners no 2109 01:39:45,939 --> 01:39:43,400 problem other owners they did not stay 2110 01:39:48,189 --> 01:39:45,949 long because so much was was happening 2111 01:39:52,209 --> 01:39:48,199 there but yes that's that's the case 2112 01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:52,219 that set all of these new laws in motion 2113 01:39:56,530 --> 01:39:54,500 I want to tell a quick story I don't 2114 01:40:01,360 --> 01:39:56,540 know if I had told this before I don't 2115 01:40:03,850 --> 01:40:01,370 think I did but the same friend I I was 2116 01:40:07,209 --> 01:40:03,860 doing work at a house which was helping 2117 01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:07,219 this 92 92 year old lady sell her fine 2118 01:40:11,860 --> 01:40:09,920 antiques or the beautiful things so I 2119 01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:11,870 would help her sell she'd invite me over 2120 01:40:15,970 --> 01:40:14,000 for a piece of pie that was so fun and 2121 01:40:19,060 --> 01:40:15,980 then she'd say take this and take that 2122 01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:19,070 and so I'd sell these things for her so 2123 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:22,310 she passed away the Sun came and there 2124 01:40:26,590 --> 01:40:24,770 was a situation she said over and over 2125 01:40:28,900 --> 01:40:26,600 she had a special desk it was a 2126 01:40:30,669 --> 01:40:28,910 Chippendale desk and she said this is my 2127 01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:30,679 son it's going to my son he you know 2128 01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:32,360 it's a family thing it belonged to a 2129 01:40:38,350 --> 01:40:34,489 governor in our family above I had it 2130 01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:38,360 made 1700s so I'm there and the son is 2131 01:40:42,850 --> 01:40:40,610 arrogant as can be and he says I don't 2132 01:40:44,830 --> 01:40:42,860 want anything sell at all so I said your 2133 01:40:46,090 --> 01:40:44,840 mother really said many many times she 2134 01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:46,100 wants you to have this desk 2135 01:40:51,580 --> 01:40:48,410 just this desk you know that and those 2136 01:40:53,979 --> 01:40:51,590 get rid of it I don't want it well my 2137 01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:53,989 friend sold the property the real estate 2138 01:40:58,060 --> 01:40:56,449 and he sold it to a contractor the 2139 01:41:00,729 --> 01:40:58,070 contractor put a ton of money into it 2140 01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:00,739 and then he called my friend up and he 2141 01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:02,880 said did you know this place is 2142 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:06,420 haunted and what would happen is the 2143 01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:08,610 attic they adhere things dragging in the 2144 01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:11,070 attic and everything would get piled and 2145 01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:13,560 stacked on top of each other and it 2146 01:41:16,879 --> 01:41:15,270 happened over and over again and they 2147 01:41:18,860 --> 01:41:16,889 said that's it we were getting out of 2148 01:41:23,629 --> 01:41:18,870 here if they sold the place after he 2149 01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:23,639 restored it completely ah I think it was 2150 01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:25,770 the woman being angry that her son 2151 01:41:31,340 --> 01:41:27,750 didn't take the desk I think so I 2152 01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,350 definitely think so yeah I um I don't 2153 01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:33,360 know how angry this woman was but I 2154 01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:35,159 think it was certainly caused for the 2155 01:41:40,490 --> 01:41:38,070 haunting family moved into a house and 2156 01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:40,500 the little boy kept seeing what he 2157 01:41:46,030 --> 01:41:43,440 called regular grandma because to 2158 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:46,040 distinguish from his other grandparents 2159 01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:48,810 sitting on this particular spot on the 2160 01:41:55,340 --> 01:41:52,800 steps described her to a tea they got a 2161 01:41:58,100 --> 01:41:55,350 collection of photographs of previous 2162 01:42:00,530 --> 01:41:58,110 owners and immediately he picked out 2163 01:42:02,810 --> 01:42:00,540 that's her that's regular grandma and 2164 01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:02,820 that was the woman who had just 2165 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:06,030 previously died in the house before they 2166 01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,010 bought it you know he wasn't even alive 2167 01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:11,520 then he was just a few years old they 2168 01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:15,179 their so the her sons are wondering why 2169 01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:19,020 is she still at this house and I went to 2170 01:42:24,140 --> 01:42:21,449 investigate and you know we're talking 2171 01:42:28,580 --> 01:42:24,150 about telling the story well one of the 2172 01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:28,590 sons realizes that she was cremated and 2173 01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:31,320 it was her wish to have her ashes 2174 01:42:37,729 --> 01:42:33,630 scattered in this particular location 2175 01:42:43,870 --> 01:42:37,739 the urn was still in his closet 2176 01:42:47,419 --> 01:42:43,880 he had forgotten to spread her ashes and 2177 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:47,429 so they finally went and followed her 2178 01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:50,010 wishes spread her ashes and she hasn't 2179 01:42:54,260 --> 01:42:51,090 been seen since 2180 01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:54,270 so don't he has a regular grandmother 2181 01:43:00,220 --> 01:42:55,920 now yeah she's a regular 2182 01:43:04,970 --> 01:43:00,230 so don't aggravate those old ladies they 2183 01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:04,980 will haunt you all right so graveyards 2184 01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:08,489 who have you actually what did you do in 2185 01:43:12,830 --> 01:43:09,199 a graveyard 2186 01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:12,840 well that's a personal question 2187 01:43:19,790 --> 01:43:17,340 oh the ghost investigating yes yeah 2188 01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:19,800 there I've been in a lot of cemeteries I 2189 01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:24,480 think the most dramatic story I know I 2190 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:28,410 did not personally and uh witness but it 2191 01:43:33,980 --> 01:43:30,330 was one of the best witnesses I'd ever 2192 01:43:38,210 --> 01:43:33,990 interviewed he was the caretaker he was 2193 01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:38,220 also a chaplain you know very religious 2194 01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:41,820 and one day he was bright sunny spring 2195 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:45,290 day he's walking his two dogs they were 2196 01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:48,090 the black labs you know what you're very 2197 01:43:53,630 --> 01:43:51,570 friendly dogs and as he's walking along 2198 01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:53,640 the cemetery back towards the house he 2199 01:44:01,310 --> 01:43:56,820 sees a young woman in her 20s long brown 2200 01:44:03,740 --> 01:44:01,320 hair glasses jeans he sees her in the 2201 01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:03,750 far end of the cemetery walking towards 2202 01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,580 the exit but instead of turning to to go 2203 01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:10,800 out the exit she turns and starts coming 2204 01:44:15,740 --> 01:44:13,470 straight for him and she just had this 2205 01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:15,750 completely blank expression and he 2206 01:44:20,450 --> 01:44:17,940 thought wow she just visited a grave or 2207 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:20,460 something she's so distraught she 2208 01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:22,010 doesn't realize she just missed the exit 2209 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:25,110 the dogs see her because they're pulling 2210 01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:27,570 towards her wagging their tails he sees 2211 01:44:33,380 --> 01:44:30,690 her coming right towards her she doesn't 2212 01:44:35,150 --> 01:44:33,390 even she pays no attention to him and 2213 01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,160 his dogs and he said actually he was 2214 01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:36,960 upset how can you not pay attention to 2215 01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:41,550 my dogs he you know dog lovers and she 2216 01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:45,600 passed him maybe five or six feet they 2217 01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:48,210 they passed and he said I have to say 2218 01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,250 something he immediately turned around 2219 01:44:54,230 --> 01:44:51,600 and she was gone 2220 01:44:57,050 --> 01:44:54,240 she was absolutely nowhere to be there 2221 01:45:00,800 --> 01:44:57,060 was nowhere for her to go and he could 2222 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:00,810 describe her exactly so when he's 2223 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:02,850 telling me this story about a year later 2224 01:45:07,190 --> 01:45:05,010 you can still see it in his eyes that's 2225 01:45:10,210 --> 01:45:07,200 why you need to be on these locations 2226 01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:10,220 and you know interview these people 2227 01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:13,470 these eyewitnesses personally you could 2228 01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:15,330 just see it in his face how this had 2229 01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:19,080 affected him and I said was it something 2230 01:45:23,570 --> 01:45:21,510 about the day and he's like no no and it 2231 01:45:25,970 --> 01:45:23,580 was it so finally I said wait a minute 2232 01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,980 what about the area of the summit 2233 01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:27,840 arrey where you first saw her walking 2234 01:45:33,770 --> 01:45:30,900 and he got he got all white over again 2235 01:45:37,790 --> 01:45:33,780 he goes I I never thought of that two 2236 01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:37,800 days before that sighting he attended a 2237 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:41,040 funeral of a young woman in her 20s who 2238 01:45:47,930 --> 01:45:43,530 had been killed tragically and he said 2239 01:45:51,290 --> 01:45:47,940 it was the most painful funeral he had 2240 01:45:54,020 --> 01:45:51,300 ever attended and that was the 2241 01:45:57,220 --> 01:45:54,030 description of the woman he saw walking 2242 01:46:00,710 --> 01:45:57,230 away from that location two days later 2243 01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:00,720 just and so much happens in this Senate 2244 01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:02,730 to past caretakers have committed 2245 01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:06,420 suicide one in and I'm like you took 2246 01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,170 this job why you know that's not a good 2247 01:46:15,140 --> 01:46:12,480 track record but a lot heads called 2248 01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:15,150 Oak Hill Cemetery it's also in Nyack 2249 01:46:21,170 --> 01:46:17,610 Nyack is a very haunted town right on 2250 01:46:23,150 --> 01:46:21,180 the Hudson River but if you're in the 2251 01:46:26,990 --> 01:46:23,160 area are looking for a good haunt that 2252 01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:27,000 is one cemetery to go to for sure now 2253 01:46:30,410 --> 01:46:28,650 have you actually stayed in that 2254 01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:30,420 cemetery for a few hours or anything 2255 01:46:36,620 --> 01:46:34,710 like that yes yes I have you know a lot 2256 01:46:40,010 --> 01:46:36,630 of these places you're not allowed to be 2257 01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:40,020 in after dark for very long so I have no 2258 01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:42,930 intention of getting arrested but yeah I 2259 01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:45,690 didn't I did not experience anything 2260 01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:49,890 creepy in that cemetery there have been 2261 01:46:59,870 --> 01:46:54,570 there's a cemetery up in Port Jervis New 2262 01:47:02,050 --> 01:46:59,880 York that Laurel Grove where we did 2263 01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:02,060 experience some very frightening 2264 01:47:08,930 --> 01:47:05,600 frightening things people see 2265 01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:08,940 full-bodied apparitions floating by 2266 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:11,730 we saw strange lights that we can't 2267 01:47:16,220 --> 01:47:13,530 explain 2268 01:47:19,630 --> 01:47:16,230 felt things I mean actually it actually 2269 01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:19,640 felt like fingers running along your arm 2270 01:47:26,780 --> 01:47:23,130 very very disconcerting things but this 2271 01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:26,790 cemetery it's it's at the confluence of 2272 01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:29,340 a couple of rivers and one year when the 2273 01:47:34,570 --> 01:47:32,370 Delaware flooded it washed away all the 2274 01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:34,580 bodies on the side of the hill and 2275 01:47:39,090 --> 01:47:37,050 bodies were being retrieved as far down 2276 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:39,100 as Philadelphia 2277 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:43,360 so if disturbing the dead causes a 2278 01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:46,930 haunting that's certainly a good reason 2279 01:47:55,530 --> 01:47:52,810 for it interesting so as far as other 2280 01:47:59,580 --> 01:47:55,540 places that you've seen you you 2281 01:48:01,530 --> 01:47:59,590 mentioned us what the scariest one can 2282 01:48:03,480 --> 01:48:01,540 you does anything come to mind that 2283 01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:03,490 you'd say like that is the most 2284 01:48:11,940 --> 01:48:06,610 unexplainable events that happen in this 2285 01:48:15,390 --> 01:48:11,950 in this house or a place yes my favorite 2286 01:48:18,450 --> 01:48:15,400 case was it was a big mansion which is 2287 01:48:24,420 --> 01:48:18,460 now called the columns Museum which is 2288 01:48:29,550 --> 01:48:24,430 in Milford Pennsylvania and it's it's a 2289 01:48:31,890 --> 01:48:29,560 County Historical Museum now and it was 2290 01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:31,900 one of these cases where Mike and I got 2291 01:48:36,570 --> 01:48:34,360 the keys and the security code and it 2292 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:36,580 was like yeah go in and go in and 2293 01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:39,610 investigate and this museums and these 2294 01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,710 are serious artifacts in here like when 2295 01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:44,560 Lincoln was shot and Ford's Theater the 2296 01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:46,870 flag that was but that was draped over 2297 01:48:52,710 --> 01:48:49,780 his box they pulled that up and bunched 2298 01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:52,720 it up under his head and that's the flag 2299 01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:55,050 they have hanging there with Lincoln's 2300 01:48:59,300 --> 01:48:57,010 bloodstains from the night he was 2301 01:49:04,020 --> 01:48:59,310 assassinated I mean amazing artifacts 2302 01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:04,030 but Mike and I walk in I am NOT five 2303 01:49:11,670 --> 01:49:08,080 feet in the door and I just I just see 2304 01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:11,680 this this woman with upswept hair and a 2305 01:49:17,730 --> 01:49:14,560 dress with puffy sleeves and she's just 2306 01:49:18,990 --> 01:49:17,740 so loud and strong and I said to Mike I 2307 01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:19,000 said well that was not quite a 2308 01:49:26,670 --> 01:49:22,510 paranormal cream pie in the face but she 2309 01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:26,680 was the absolute most intense thing I 2310 01:49:32,610 --> 01:49:30,790 have ever encountered later on well you 2311 01:49:34,410 --> 01:49:32,620 know those old hair curling machines 2312 01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:34,420 that look kind of like torture devices 2313 01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:37,750 they had the electrodes hanging down for 2314 01:49:43,050 --> 01:49:39,460 women to get permanence in the trace 2315 01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:43,060 you've seen I have I'm standing looking 2316 01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,070 at one of these and I said look at that 2317 01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:46,960 hair curling machine and with that a 2318 01:49:52,980 --> 01:49:51,280 finger goes back under the my baseball 2319 01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:52,990 cap and goes like 2320 01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:55,570 this through my hair as I'm talking I 2321 01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:58,030 was like and at that moment I just felt 2322 01:50:02,280 --> 01:49:59,920 she read me like a book 2323 01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:02,290 so I kept saying I kept talking about 2324 01:50:07,260 --> 01:50:03,970 this woman all night I could picture her 2325 01:50:09,150 --> 01:50:07,270 I knew where she was standing and I said 2326 01:50:11,820 --> 01:50:09,160 she no I kept saying to Mike I said I 2327 01:50:15,110 --> 01:50:11,830 know this sounds nuts she knows who I am 2328 01:50:18,060 --> 01:50:15,120 she she just read me she knows who I am 2329 01:50:20,340 --> 01:50:18,070 well long story short towards the end of 2330 01:50:23,610 --> 01:50:20,350 the night I hear the swishing of old 2331 01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:23,620 skirts and I go chasing after the skirts 2332 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:27,040 and it leads me to an office in the back 2333 01:50:31,620 --> 01:50:29,650 I'm like what am I supposed to find here 2334 01:50:33,740 --> 01:50:31,630 and Mike says well what about those 2335 01:50:36,750 --> 01:50:33,750 there's all these file cabinets 2336 01:50:39,150 --> 01:50:36,760 so there's take me 10 years to go 2337 01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:39,160 through these I said well let me see 2338 01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:41,110 there's something she wants me to find 2339 01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:44,650 here I opened one of the drawers I pull 2340 01:50:49,980 --> 01:50:47,170 out a folder I'm thumbing through it and 2341 01:50:54,570 --> 01:50:49,990 there's an article about Linda Zimmerman 2342 01:50:59,100 --> 01:50:54,580 the ghost investigator the one article 2343 01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:59,110 in 10,000 pieces of paper I follow the 2344 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:01,510 sounds of her going there cuz I know she 2345 01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:03,730 wants me to find something I find an 2346 01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:07,360 article about myself it's like how do 2347 01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:10,060 you add to that how do you make that up 2348 01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:13,510 and so when I described what we 2349 01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:16,060 experienced to the to the curator she 2350 01:51:22,830 --> 01:51:18,190 says I know who that is 2351 01:51:27,630 --> 01:51:22,840 that's Madame Pierce it was a local 2352 01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:27,640 woman who when she died when all of her 2353 01:51:32,700 --> 01:51:29,230 belongings were brought to the museum 2354 01:51:35,490 --> 01:51:32,710 and she came along that's one of those 2355 01:51:39,450 --> 01:51:35,500 cases where haunted objects she came 2356 01:51:42,420 --> 01:51:39,460 along with it and many people since then 2357 01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:42,430 have described the same woman in the 2358 01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:45,490 same location and I got a photograph of 2359 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:49,000 her up swept hair puffy sleeves she was 2360 01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:51,970 the strongest clearest most conscious 2361 01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:55,000 ghost I have ever encountered and 2362 01:52:01,530 --> 01:51:56,800 probably ever hoped to encounter 2363 01:52:03,930 --> 01:52:01,540 fortunately she was very nice but again 2364 01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:03,940 if I wrote that as fiction people would 2365 01:52:10,110 --> 01:52:06,210 say oh come on 2366 01:52:13,050 --> 01:52:10,120 but but to have that happen you that to 2367 01:52:15,900 --> 01:52:13,060 me was the most I don't believe this 2368 01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:15,910 just happened case I've ever had that is 2369 01:52:22,140 --> 01:52:18,690 something we have about six minutes left 2370 01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:22,150 a couple of questions first of all do 2371 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:25,960 you think that fear like the person like 2372 01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:28,450 you experience he's experiencing these 2373 01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:31,300 things do you think fear has any level 2374 01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:34,300 of control at all or they have control 2375 01:52:39,630 --> 01:52:37,690 over you and then I want to ask you one 2376 01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:39,640 more question after that before we wrap 2377 01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:42,130 it up yes absolutely 2378 01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:46,450 fear just invites them to take advantage 2379 01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:50,770 of you and I've seen some cases where 2380 01:52:55,860 --> 01:52:53,140 people are so terrified in their own 2381 01:52:57,690 --> 01:52:55,870 homes they pull the curtain close they 2382 01:53:00,840 --> 01:52:57,700 don't go anywhere they don't do anything 2383 01:53:03,090 --> 01:53:00,850 and the the whole haunting takes over 2384 01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:03,100 their lives there was one case where I 2385 01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:06,340 see I think you have a ghost but open 2386 01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:08,140 these curtains put on your favorite 2387 01:53:14,610 --> 01:53:10,690 music get out of the house don't feed 2388 01:53:19,740 --> 01:53:14,620 into this thing so things were great 2389 01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,750 after that so it doesn't always work but 2390 01:53:24,030 --> 01:53:22,000 don't don't give into it you're you've 2391 01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:24,040 got the advantage you're alive it's your 2392 01:53:29,340 --> 01:53:27,430 place tell them to get out seriously so 2393 01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:29,350 this isn't the question that I wanted to 2394 01:53:32,820 --> 01:53:31,510 ask you but so basically there's been a 2395 01:53:36,510 --> 01:53:32,830 few times that you've been able to 2396 01:53:39,060 --> 01:53:36,520 actually help people it sounds like what 2397 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:39,070 I found to be remarkable and extremely 2398 01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:41,290 gratifying is after doing this a couple 2399 01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:43,450 of years people would call me up and say 2400 01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,610 what did you do when you were here I'm 2401 01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:46,960 like well what you know is something 2402 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:48,640 missing you know is the silver missing 2403 01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:51,010 what are you talking about he said no 2404 01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:54,210 since you were here and told the story 2405 01:53:59,420 --> 01:53:56,890 you know investigated did the research 2406 01:54:03,740 --> 01:53:59,430 told the story the activity stopped and 2407 01:54:07,250 --> 01:54:03,750 I find in 30 to 40 percent of the cases 2408 01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:07,260 that's how I don't perform rituals or 2409 01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:11,110 exorcisms or clearings I go and find out 2410 01:54:16,770 --> 01:54:14,710 their story I tell their stories and if 2411 01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,780 the haunting is the result that 2412 01:54:21,090 --> 01:54:18,400 something is unrest 2413 01:54:23,790 --> 01:54:21,100 and they want the world to know why 2414 01:54:27,690 --> 01:54:23,800 they're there maybe just telling their 2415 01:54:30,270 --> 01:54:27,700 story is enough that's amazing 2416 01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:30,280 so one little last question I have here 2417 01:54:35,340 --> 01:54:32,560 we only have about three or four minutes 2418 01:54:37,980 --> 01:54:35,350 left here and that is objects you 2419 01:54:40,140 --> 01:54:37,990 mentioned antiques or objects that are 2420 01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:40,150 haunted I would love to hear an example 2421 01:54:46,770 --> 01:54:44,320 of that family bought an antique bed and 2422 01:54:49,020 --> 01:54:46,780 put it in the spare room and kept 2423 01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,030 hearing a little boy coughing and 2424 01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,800 coughing and they'd go in the room and 2425 01:54:54,780 --> 01:54:52,480 it would stop and they swear they were 2426 01:54:57,630 --> 01:54:54,790 if they finally went back to the antique 2427 01:54:59,640 --> 01:54:57,640 dealer and said okay what's the story 2428 01:55:03,180 --> 01:54:59,650 with this first of all you're taking it 2429 01:55:07,410 --> 01:55:03,190 back so now tell us the story a little 2430 01:55:09,570 --> 01:55:07,420 boy died of pneumonia in that bed so you 2431 01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:09,580 have to be very careful what you bring 2432 01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:12,370 in the house simple thing family bought 2433 01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:15,750 an old fedora put it on a side table 2434 01:55:21,630 --> 01:55:18,370 walked by the room and there was an old 2435 01:55:25,670 --> 01:55:21,640 man sitting wearing the fedora they got 2436 01:55:29,130 --> 01:55:25,680 rid of the fedora some great stories 2437 01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,140 involving haunted objects I've been in 2438 01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:31,360 the fine arts and antiques business all 2439 01:55:35,870 --> 01:55:33,970 my life I've never actually heard a 2440 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:35,880 story but I brought a couple of things 2441 01:55:41,370 --> 01:55:39,850 home that the person I was with said 2442 01:55:43,980 --> 01:55:41,380 please get rid of that I have a bad 2443 01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:43,990 feeling you know so I can understand 2444 01:55:50,610 --> 01:55:48,400 that yeah you you have to honor that you 2445 01:55:53,310 --> 01:55:50,620 know it's not a good idea to bring home 2446 01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:53,320 things from murder sites and crime sites 2447 01:55:59,190 --> 01:55:56,890 and it just isn't I had a case where a 2448 01:56:01,320 --> 01:55:59,200 woman brought home a pair of cemetery 2449 01:56:07,740 --> 01:56:01,330 gates and installed them in front of her 2450 01:56:10,290 --> 01:56:07,750 house how did that work out for her well 2451 01:56:12,180 --> 01:56:10,300 well this has been a lot of fun I've 2452 01:56:15,180 --> 01:56:12,190 always had a really good time talking to 2453 01:56:17,670 --> 01:56:15,190 you can you also just you have a website 2454 01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:17,680 or is it just I have a lot of Facebook 2455 01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:21,610 pages but I have a website go to simcom 2456 01:56:28,710 --> 01:56:25,360 that's right most of my books are in 2457 01:56:30,759 --> 01:56:28,720 eBook format but all my ghost books are 2458 01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:30,769 in print from Amazon 2459 01:56:36,850 --> 01:56:34,010 most of the stories I told are in my 2460 01:56:41,620 --> 01:56:36,860 10th anniversary collection of books I 2461 01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:41,630 have I think 15 of them at this point so 2462 01:56:48,459 --> 01:56:45,760 if you like in-depth haunted 2463 01:56:51,180 --> 01:56:48,469 investigation cases that's what I do 2464 01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:51,190 well excellent thanks so much Linda 2465 01:56:56,049 --> 01:56:53,690 thank you always a pleasure 2466 01:56:59,649 --> 01:56:56,059 yes and I'll talk to you soon all right 2467 01:57:02,290 --> 01:56:59,659 take care bye bye bye alright everyone 2468 01:57:05,259 --> 01:57:02,300 so that's it for the show thank you so 2469 01:57:06,759 --> 01:57:05,269 much for listening or thank you for 2470 01:57:10,959 --> 01:57:06,769 supporting the show if that's what you 2471 01:57:12,580 --> 01:57:10,969 are or watching it on YouTube or the 2472 01:57:14,649 --> 01:57:12,590 Dark Matter digital network if you'd 2473 01:57:16,930 --> 01:57:14,659 like to support the show all you have to 2474 01:57:19,209 --> 01:57:16,940 do is go to podcast UFO comm and all 2475 01:57:20,770 --> 01:57:19,219 that information is there I want to 2476 01:57:23,919 --> 01:57:20,780 thank a few people first of all our 2477 01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:23,929 guest Linda Zimmerman I also want to 2478 01:57:30,580 --> 01:57:27,110 thank Alejandro Rojas for the doing the 2479 01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:30,590 UFO updates as well as Evan who's a new 2480 01:57:36,129 --> 01:57:33,199 producer I want to thank him and Peggy 2481 01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:36,139 for managing the Facebook page again 2482 01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:38,210 next week we'll be back with Erich von 2483 01:57:42,250 --> 01:57:41,599 däniken and that's at 11 a.m. Eastern 2484 01:57:44,979 --> 01:57:42,260 Standard Time 2485 01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:44,989 I don't have the GMT time up in front of 2486 01:57:47,410 --> 01:57:45,650 me right now 2487 01:57:49,629 --> 01:57:47,420 but I'm sure there will be a lot of 2488 01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:49,639 people in Europe listening live that 2489 01:57:54,910 --> 01:57:52,400 will be on YouTube as well alright 2490 01:57:57,740 --> 01:57:54,920 everyone so thanks so much and remember 2491 01:58:09,270 --> 01:57:57,750 to keep your eyes to the sky